Hector Protector and As I Went over the Water
5 journalers for this copy...
Bought for a book ray, after a previous copy was destroyed by finder.
Sending to NMReader to get the book ray started.
I had meant to add the list here, NMReader beat me to it - thanks!
I had meant to add the list here, NMReader beat me to it - thanks!
Arrived while I was in Orange. I will pm the next person and get their address.
Thanks for including me.
I had to hunt a little to find the participants so to make it easier I thought I would add the list I found here:
1. NMreader (NM)
2. gwenwifar (NV)
3. piggydiva (KS)
4. Draginta (KS)
5. bflybabe (IL) * but shows AR, maybe out of date
6. chubsiewhubsie (OH) *
7. Katethegreyt (NY)
8. kitiarablue (NJ)
9. AnOtterChaos (PA) *
10 elizardbreath (OR) (moving, check new address)
11. uppity (BC, Canada) *
... to OZ...
12. jjlanes (Australia) *
13. VeganMedusa (NZ) *
14. lytteltonwitch (NZ)
... and back to blighty. ..
15. Midlifecrisis (UK) *
* have address on RACBK.com
Thanks for including me.
I had to hunt a little to find the participants so to make it easier I thought I would add the list I found here:
1. NMreader (NM)
2. gwenwifar (NV)
3. piggydiva (KS)
4. Draginta (KS)
5. bflybabe (IL) * but shows AR, maybe out of date
6. chubsiewhubsie (OH) *
7. Katethegreyt (NY)
8. kitiarablue (NJ)
9. AnOtterChaos (PA) *
10 elizardbreath (OR) (moving, check new address)
11. uppity (BC, Canada) *
... to OZ...
12. jjlanes (Australia) *
13. VeganMedusa (NZ) *
14. lytteltonwitch (NZ)
... and back to blighty. ..
15. Midlifecrisis (UK) *
* have address on RACBK.com
Part of what made me want to read this book was the forum posting (http://bookcrossing.com/forum/1/4586734 ). So I felt it would be appropriate to reread that posting before writing my impression of this book.
From the forum post: "Hector Protector and As I Went Over The Water is a horendously bad example for children and do not feel comfortable sending it forward. I am happy to replace it with a non-violent, non-hateful, more respectful, non-bullying children's book. I will throw this one in the trash so no other child will be exposed to this disobedient piece of trash that teaches children that nothing will be done in response to screaming at a parent when asked to do a simple task, be irresponsible and bullying and get rewarded feedback from that behavior, throwing things when you don't like something, smirk and laugh at others who disagree and you only treat people nicely if your bullying results in them being subserviant and loyal to you. The message of no remorse for irresponsibility and continued disrespect when faced with a consequence for misbehavior is intolerable and shocking to be allowed to so blatantly be displayed in a children's book. Even gluttony, hatefulness and a non-sharing attitude is shown by the crow as a minor character at the end of the story."
Many children fight their parents when they do not want to wear something or do not want to have to do a chore. The mother still made Hector go even though he didn't want to go to see the queen. The lion was making threatening noises before Hector hit him and the snake was hissing at Hector before Hector was mean to him. He misbehaved in front of the Queen and King and was sent away where his mother put him to bed without super. The crow didn't give him any cake when he asked as he was being punished - at least that is my interpretation. I think if this was discussed with a child it could make a good jumping off point as to what is and isn't acceptable behavior.
From the forum post: "The 2nd story is equally offensive and a horrible example to children. My son stated he never wanted to go on a ship after seeing the serpent eat the ship then the boy sailor punch the serpent in the stomach in retaliation. After name-calling, the little boy was retaliatory, hitting birds with a stick knocking out all their teeth. After the serpent experienced and saw the boy's bullying behavior he gave the ship back, was in a begging stance and only then did the boy show kindness toward him. When the birds saw the serpent receive a gift for his cowaring to the bully, they too wanted what the bully had to offer and became part of his crew ("gang") to then be rewarded for their loyalty. My children saw that hatefulness and bullying was being rewarded."
What I saw and read was a young boy have his ship eaten by a sea monster. The boy did strike the sea monster (as many of us would like to do to someone who takes something from us - especially when we were children). The boy then swam to shore and two birds started calling him names. The sea monster had started to give the boat back before the boy knocked the crow's teeth out. I saw this more as a story telling children they need to stand up to people who are bullying them. I do not agree with the idea of hitting the crows for name calling but again I think with proper discussion with a child this could lead to an excellent chance to talk about appropriate actions.
From the forum post: "How can anyone write this crap and whoever so carelessly allowed this book to be passed along in a so called family-children's book club should be so ashamed as an irresponsible idiot of a parent."
Wow! This from someone who was disturbed by the book. Is the name calling really helpful? Did it do anything but antagonize people and make us want to read this "horrible" book.
From the forum post: "I had to work very hard to twist the message of the stories into something positive."
I'm not even a parent but I could discuss this book with any of my nieces or nephews and get it to come out with a positive spin without much work at all.
From the forum post: "The most evident message of greed, hate and disrespect are just too overwhelming above anything good that could be sueezed out of this book."
You must not have a very good imagination or much memory of what it is like to be the age of the children in the book. I saw many possibilities to talk about things in the book that would have been positive with my nieces and nephews.
From the forum post: "It needs to be taken out of the circulation. It is trash. How may I replace it?"
It is not your place to take a book out of circulation. If you don't like it write a journal entry and explain what you think is wrong with it. Place a warning in the book for the next person or send it back to the person who left it for you. Who gave you the right to censor what the rest of us read? I thought I lived in the USA.
From the forum post: "Scott, how do you control what gets sent? Who begins the chain, how and is there an approve list of what is acceptable for children and families? Thank you- vertigomom."
When and if this site gets to the point that books must be approved that will be the last day I visit this site. Just because you don't like or approve of something does not mean we all feel that way. Express your opinion and let the rest of us read and express ours.
I have a question. Would you want a book that talks about greed, incest, fratricide, adultery, stealing, ill treatment to the less fortunate, etc, etc to be released? My guess is you would say no. Well guess what, I was talking about the Bible.
Many very good books have been banned or challenged in this country. I think that is a shame. I think we can get what we want out of books. We can find them bad and ugly or we can find them an opening for discussions of how things should be or were and have changed.
This was a good book with nice illustrations and many possible ways of opening discussions with children about actions and consequences.
Thank you DrSlump612 for letting me read this book. Thank you vertigomom for making such a stink that you caused soooooo many of us to want to read it.
From the forum post: "Hector Protector and As I Went Over The Water is a horendously bad example for children and do not feel comfortable sending it forward. I am happy to replace it with a non-violent, non-hateful, more respectful, non-bullying children's book. I will throw this one in the trash so no other child will be exposed to this disobedient piece of trash that teaches children that nothing will be done in response to screaming at a parent when asked to do a simple task, be irresponsible and bullying and get rewarded feedback from that behavior, throwing things when you don't like something, smirk and laugh at others who disagree and you only treat people nicely if your bullying results in them being subserviant and loyal to you. The message of no remorse for irresponsibility and continued disrespect when faced with a consequence for misbehavior is intolerable and shocking to be allowed to so blatantly be displayed in a children's book. Even gluttony, hatefulness and a non-sharing attitude is shown by the crow as a minor character at the end of the story."
Many children fight their parents when they do not want to wear something or do not want to have to do a chore. The mother still made Hector go even though he didn't want to go to see the queen. The lion was making threatening noises before Hector hit him and the snake was hissing at Hector before Hector was mean to him. He misbehaved in front of the Queen and King and was sent away where his mother put him to bed without super. The crow didn't give him any cake when he asked as he was being punished - at least that is my interpretation. I think if this was discussed with a child it could make a good jumping off point as to what is and isn't acceptable behavior.
From the forum post: "The 2nd story is equally offensive and a horrible example to children. My son stated he never wanted to go on a ship after seeing the serpent eat the ship then the boy sailor punch the serpent in the stomach in retaliation. After name-calling, the little boy was retaliatory, hitting birds with a stick knocking out all their teeth. After the serpent experienced and saw the boy's bullying behavior he gave the ship back, was in a begging stance and only then did the boy show kindness toward him. When the birds saw the serpent receive a gift for his cowaring to the bully, they too wanted what the bully had to offer and became part of his crew ("gang") to then be rewarded for their loyalty. My children saw that hatefulness and bullying was being rewarded."
What I saw and read was a young boy have his ship eaten by a sea monster. The boy did strike the sea monster (as many of us would like to do to someone who takes something from us - especially when we were children). The boy then swam to shore and two birds started calling him names. The sea monster had started to give the boat back before the boy knocked the crow's teeth out. I saw this more as a story telling children they need to stand up to people who are bullying them. I do not agree with the idea of hitting the crows for name calling but again I think with proper discussion with a child this could lead to an excellent chance to talk about appropriate actions.
From the forum post: "How can anyone write this crap and whoever so carelessly allowed this book to be passed along in a so called family-children's book club should be so ashamed as an irresponsible idiot of a parent."
Wow! This from someone who was disturbed by the book. Is the name calling really helpful? Did it do anything but antagonize people and make us want to read this "horrible" book.
From the forum post: "I had to work very hard to twist the message of the stories into something positive."
I'm not even a parent but I could discuss this book with any of my nieces or nephews and get it to come out with a positive spin without much work at all.
From the forum post: "The most evident message of greed, hate and disrespect are just too overwhelming above anything good that could be sueezed out of this book."
You must not have a very good imagination or much memory of what it is like to be the age of the children in the book. I saw many possibilities to talk about things in the book that would have been positive with my nieces and nephews.
From the forum post: "It needs to be taken out of the circulation. It is trash. How may I replace it?"
It is not your place to take a book out of circulation. If you don't like it write a journal entry and explain what you think is wrong with it. Place a warning in the book for the next person or send it back to the person who left it for you. Who gave you the right to censor what the rest of us read? I thought I lived in the USA.
From the forum post: "Scott, how do you control what gets sent? Who begins the chain, how and is there an approve list of what is acceptable for children and families? Thank you- vertigomom."
When and if this site gets to the point that books must be approved that will be the last day I visit this site. Just because you don't like or approve of something does not mean we all feel that way. Express your opinion and let the rest of us read and express ours.
I have a question. Would you want a book that talks about greed, incest, fratricide, adultery, stealing, ill treatment to the less fortunate, etc, etc to be released? My guess is you would say no. Well guess what, I was talking about the Bible.
Many very good books have been banned or challenged in this country. I think that is a shame. I think we can get what we want out of books. We can find them bad and ugly or we can find them an opening for discussions of how things should be or were and have changed.
This was a good book with nice illustrations and many possible ways of opening discussions with children about actions and consequences.
Thank you DrSlump612 for letting me read this book. Thank you vertigomom for making such a stink that you caused soooooo many of us to want to read it.
Received this morning and it's all ready to go on its way to the next person. I quite liked it. Despite what we heard from the finder who trashed the copy that originated this bookray, I didn't see anything in this book that was so outrageous or violent. So the kid screamed, and whacked the lion with a wooden sword. By the end of the story they were all friends, and nobody, not even the lion, was the worse for wear.
While with some kids it might be worth mentioning that screaming and thumping animals are not good decisions, I certainly don't think this book is a threat to anyone. Will be on its way to the next person as soon as I get an address.
While with some kids it might be worth mentioning that screaming and thumping animals are not good decisions, I certainly don't think this book is a threat to anyone. Will be on its way to the next person as soon as I get an address.
Thanks to DrSlump and Gwenifar for sending this on to me. I will be reading it tomorrow!
I took this book to school to get some high school opinions on it as well, since I pretty much agreed with everything NMReader had to say. The 50 or so students who read it also thought it was a good teaching opportunity for parents, and they didn't see the characters as getting their way for being mean, but that something happened that made the characters all become friends. One student also brought up that it shows Christian ideals (turn the other cheek) (leave it to a kid to point out the obvious). We also talked about how it was less violent than most of the cartoons (even "old" ones). We all enjoyed the pictures as well. It turned into an interesting discussion on book banning, political points of view, and open-mindedness/closed-mindedness.
I have contacted Draginta for an address (Draginta's home page says Kuwait), and will send it on as soon as I get the info.
I have contacted Draginta for an address (Draginta's home page says Kuwait), and will send it on as soon as I get the info.
I had been moving around alot recently and forgot about this book until I came across it recently while unpacking. Sorry for the delay, I'll get it moved along as quickly as I can.
