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Just been at a bookcrossing meetup and discussing an app. Has anyone looked at crowdfunding to pay for this? Pretty much everyone at the meetup would be willing to pay a few pounds towards the development of one. Multiply that up by all the bookcrossing members.

 

I'll pass this on to Bruce and Ron (site founders). No promises though. Well, I do promise that I'll pass it on.

 

 

I'd donate to that. Heck, I'd donate to get a decent mobile version of the website.

 

I'd donate to that. Heck, I'd donate to get a decent mobile version of the website.

Me too!

 

I'd donate to that. Heck, I'd donate to get a decent mobile version of the website.

Me too!

I would *PREFER* a good mobile version of the website. I really don't need another app.

 

I would *PREFER* a good mobile version of the website. I really don't need another app.

Me, too. It would be cross-platform, and it would probably also be good to use on older/slower computers.

 

I would *PREFER* a good mobile version of the website. I really don't need another app.

Me, too. It would be cross-platform, and it would probably also be good to use on older/slower computers.

Yes, well...my preferred way to access the site is my desktop CPU, and that's not likely to change. But it would be nice to have a better mobile site _also_.

 

it would be nice to have a better mobile site _also_.

Exactly. It should be an addition, not a replacement. Unless, of course, it can be made so that it works fine on desktops *and* mobile devices.

When I said platforms, I meant operating systems. As in, a mobile site that works on iPhones, Android phones and whatever else is out there.

 

it would be nice to have a better mobile site _also_.

Exactly. It should be an addition, not a replacement. Unless, of course, it can be made so that it works fine on desktops *and* mobile devices.

When I said platforms, I meant operating systems. As in, a mobile site that works on iPhones, Android phones and whatever else is out there.

Yes, in that case no one would have to develop separate apps for IOS, Android, etc...

 

it would be nice to have a better mobile site _also_.

Exactly. It should be an addition, not a replacement. Unless, of course, it can be made so that it works fine on desktops *and* mobile devices.

When I said platforms, I meant operating systems. As in, a mobile site that works on iPhones, Android phones and whatever else is out there.

Yes, in that case no one would have to develop separate apps for IOS, Android, etc...

Another thing about a good mobile site vs. an app: for those of us with limited memory on our mobile devices, not having to install another app is a major plus. (If I want to update an app or add a new one I have to delete a different app!)

A mobile-friendly website that I can access via my browser would definitely be better for me.

 

I would *PREFER* a good mobile version of the website. I really don't need another app.

Me, too. It would be cross-platform, and it would probably also be good to use on older/slower computers.



Same with me!

 

This could work....

 

wingDelphi_Readerwing 1 yr ago
Yes!
I am old fashioned, don't even own a modern mobile phone, but I believe that a decent app would attract many more people on BC. And I believe many many books go without a catch because people who happen to find them try to use their phone to see what this is about and maybe to add a journal entry but it's not possible for them.

I am a member less than 2 years here but I try to support the site as often as I can through the store and I would definitely support financially an app or other improvements to the site.

 

on Stewart Island.

 

if all the people that say they'd pay for an app are also paying to keep this site alive in the first place.

Although I'd love the site to be more mobile friendly, I'm really more worried that BookCrossing will end altogether and all my books will be orphaned with no way to write home. I know the site has always had financial difficulties and isn't as well funded by its users as one would hope.

: (

 

wingiiwiwing 1 yr ago
RE: I wonder
if all the people that say they'd pay for an app are also paying to keep this site alive in the first place.

: (

Yes I am.

 

I make a purchase from the store every few months, often each purchase coming more than $100 and I've offer wings etc as RABCK in the Greek forum when I celebrated my first BCversary. I don't know if this is enough or not, but I agree that I don't see that many members, even the older ones here using the wings feature or official BC supplies as much as they should.

I've noticed this especially in some of the local forums where members seem too busy with their close-knit "circles", using BC mostly for releasing on local OBCZs or organizing games and exchanging books in monthly meet-ups and/or hand to hand....

 

Wow, a number of us at our Melbourne Meetup also talked about this two weeks ago after initial discussion in NZ! Thanks for introducing the topic here. Let’s hope we can initiate something to enhance the site.

 

It would be good to have an apps. Like with QR quote, once scan, the location and the people passing the book on. It would be a great idea. More and more young people would join in and share the joy of sharing. "Sharing is caring"

Cheers!

Regards,
MH

 

<<cough>> just a gentle plug for this:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/546644

My view on the topic of this thread is that donations can be made to the site at any time by purchases from the store as well as membership/wings, and also via the "donate" button at the bottom of every page on this site.
Perhaps rather than a Crowdfunding appeal, it might be worth BookCrossing HQ to call for XX amount of money to be raised through 2018, in order for a mobile friendly/app to be funded. >>Note that I have never personally seen BC HQ acknowledge that they are willing and / or are able to look at investing in the development of an app.<<
That said, I've been a member of BookCrossing for years, and will admit that I have no idea how much it costs to run the site, and also how close we sail to losing the site altogether on a month by month/annual basis.
Not saying that info isn't out there...just that I haven't seen it.
For all we know, there could be a whole bunch of funding needed to the general running of the site before we can even think about an app.

I'm gonna "go there" tashclayton and say that your lack of wings highlights that you aren't ticking the very basic method of supporting this site, and therefore <if I were the powers that be of BC>I'd be less inclined to be receptive of your call for "more" so to speak.

 

<<cough>> just a gentle plug for this:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/546644

I totally missed this, wish I'd seen it. :(

My view on the topic of this thread is that donations can be made to the site at any time by purchases from the store as well as membership/wings, and also via the "donate" button at the bottom of every page on this site.
Perhaps rather than a Crowdfunding appeal, it might be worth BookCrossing HQ to call for XX amount of money to be raised through 2018, in order for a mobile friendly/app to be funded. >>Note that I have never personally seen BC HQ acknowledge that they are willing and / or are able to look at investing in the development of an app.<<
That said, I've been a member of BookCrossing for years, and will admit that I have no idea how much it costs to run the site, and also how close we sail to losing the site altogether on a month by month/annual basis.
Not saying that info isn't out there...just that I haven't seen it.
For all we know, there could be a whole bunch of funding needed to the general running of the site before we can even think about an app.

I'm gonna "go there" tashclayton and say that your lack of wings highlights that you aren't ticking the very basic method of supporting this site, and therefore <if I were the powers that be of BC>I'd be less inclined to be receptive of your call for "more" so to speak.

BC seems to be struggling with basic maintenance right now, so I'd say we sail pretty close, and it might mean that we need to raise money for keeping going never mind improvements. If this is actually the case, I'd welcome seeing BC HQ call for an amount of money to be raised.

 

<<cough>> just a gentle plug for this:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/546644

I totally missed this, wish I'd seen it. :(

Sorry greenbadger
I'm considering running it again with an April draw, but with the generousity of over 20 participants in the last one (drawn at the end of November), I'm not sure how productive it'd be only a few months later.

Just wish there was a little more transparency of what is actually going on, and if popular speculation about finances being the reason for current technical glitches is actually correct or not.

 


Sorry greenbadger
I'm considering running it again with an April draw, but with the generousity of over 20 participants in the last one (drawn at the end of November), I'm not sure how productive it'd be only a few months later.

Count me in for sure, I'll look out for it.

Just wish there was a little more transparency of what is actually going on, and if popular speculation about finances being the reason for current technical glitches is actually correct or not.

Very much this. :(

 

But I doubt it would ever happen unless BC leadership delegates the whole project to someone else.

 

It would be so much easier to register/ release books, as I don't always have my laptop or good internet connection that is enough to load a website when I'm on the go.

 

wingSouthVillaswing 2 mos ago
Finances
I started this thread some months back. I have two log-ins, one for me personally and one for the obcz I run. I buy supplies to help with general support, but totally agree with comments above - that sharing some info about income and costs would help me consider donating more. But I suggested a specific appeal for app funding because I would be prepared to donate much more for that - it's also much easier to access Grant funding for example for a specific tangible ask. Please consider it - I am sure there are skilled fundraisers amongst us who would help

 

Totally agreed, SouthVillas.
But in my opinion it should be done in a managed way in order to gain sponsors (and funds), with clear steps, i.e.:
- define a complete functional objective (and don't modify it)
- fix a delivery time (several versions to be delivered?)
- produce and public a cost estimate
- raise funds to cover cost estimate
- start development (any volunteer accepted?)
- test and deliver
- open to suggestions from BC members (to be implemented in new versions)

I'm sorry, I'm an engineer, cannot see it in another way... :-)

 

I believe that in six months or less (developing in spare time only) we could make the whole website responsive (with a new graphic template) without writing the site from scratch. There are some free framework out there that could do the job (e.g. Bootstrap 4). Then, after this step will be ended we could start discussing about a mobile application.

 

It has been suggested many times over the years to try some direct crowdfunding on bookcrossing. In the way of "we need this much to keep us going a month/year"goals, in the way of raising money for a specific project, like an app, in the way of trying to use Patreon, or Kickstarter or GoFundMe, etc. It has also been suggested numerous times that it would help if BC HQ were a little more transparent and communicative. Obviously, to no avail.

I still believe it's the way forward for BC to become a viable company, and to be able to improve a limping system.

Not all BC members will donate, but I think if you can get a significant number of the active members to join in, you'd be surprised at their generosity. You have to engage with the community though. I know we've done so to great success, more than we hoped, as convention organisers. I would personally contribute to such a campaign with great enthusiasm.

And before anyone is going to point out I don't have any wings and therefore my opinion or experience is therefore somehow moot... Buzz off. Just because I have no wings at the moment doesn't mean I'm not contributing in some way or am not supporting the website, or have not done so in heaps and spades in the past or will in the future. I am so effing tired of people holding that over anyone's head, as if to them the only way to be worthy of listening to is money, right now. _Especially_ if it comes from people who are on the support team, whose voluntary job it is to be customer friendly here.

 

I am so effing tired of people holding that over anyone's head, as if to them the only way to be worthy of listening to is money, right now. _Especially_ if it comes from people who are on the support team, whose voluntary job it is to be customer friendly here.

I'm going to take that as meaning me!
My comments as a BC member, that come from my J4shaw profile, are exactly that, my thoughts. Being a Support Team volunteer ought not to take away my right to have my own opinion and be allowed to voice it, should it?

Yes I have repeatedly made my feelings known that it irks me greatly to see members talking about 'a better site' or 'this should be done' or 'why is everything glitchy' when it’s made known that the site relies on financial support and ways to support it are in place. I'm entitled to that opinion, as am I to voice it.

Personally, I don't understand (note I say 'understand') why fundraising through a 3rd party is something people feel so passionate about, when it can be done 1st hand through buying Wings membership, items from the store, and particularly as there is a 'Donate' button at the bottom of the page within the site itself.
Yes it'd be nice to have numbers of what it takes to run the site, and whether that is achieved or not currently, but there has been many calls for that, including by myself, that have not been answered by those in the know, and as the owners of the site have declined giving that transparency, like it or not, it's their business therefore their decision whether they share such detail or not.
We've never had outages because the bill hasn't been paid, so clearly there is a commitment to keep it running, even if it may, or may not be financially falling short through revenue from members.

All I can say is that people think that nothing happens, well I can tell you that there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes (such as today we fixed a broken link within the site, and everyday zones are fixed, consolidated and generally tidied, as well as putting out fires with spamming, fake accounts etc) as well as what was talked about yesterday in another thread regarding to QR codes, this was confirmed as something that has been and is continuing to be looked into by our Tech Team. Developing takes time. Ardik has posted a few posts within this year to say he's working on stuff, yet people keep complaining that nothings happening or being done.
Is the site behind the times and often glitchy and can be frustrating to use. My opinion, yes.
But to say the site needs to be privatised is a far fetched solution in my eyes.

 

I started this thread some months back. I have two log-ins, one for me personally and one for the obcz I run. I buy supplies to help with general support, but totally agree with comments above - that sharing some info about income and costs would help me consider donating more. But I suggested a specific appeal for app funding because I would be prepared to donate much more for that - it's also much easier to access Grant funding for example for a specific tangible ask. Please consider it - I am sure there are skilled fundraisers amongst us who would help


Yes I agree, in my experience it's far easier to fundraise for a specific thing.

I have financially supported BC before but I would give more if I knew it was to help BC grow, not just trundle along as it is now.

I don't think an app is necessary but its presence in the app stores would help spread the word of BC. Same thing goes for crowdfunding on other platforms - it would help spread the word.

 

..rather than an app. Which I suspect would actually have to be more than one app to work on multiple platforms. And would take up more space than my device has.

 

..rather than an app. Which I suspect would actually have to be more than one app to work on multiple platforms. And would take up more space than my device has.

This seems to have happened!
https://www.bookcrossing.com/---/556910

 

Yes, I’m noticing that...! It will take me some time to get used to the changes but it seems like a good thing so far. :D

 

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