The Red Tent (Bestselling Backlist)
Registered by guinevere69 of Willetton, Western Australia Australia on 3/10/2005
This Book is Currently in the Wild!
This Book is Currently in the Wild!
8 journalers for this copy...
Journal Entry 1 by guinevere69 from Willetton, Western Australia Australia on Thursday, March 10, 2005
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday dear Assie-Rose
Happy birthday to you
See I am not a stalker!
Saw this on your wish list and I thought it was fantastic! Hope you enjoy it too
Happy birthday to you
Happy birthday dear Assie-Rose
Happy birthday to you
See I am not a stalker!
Saw this on your wish list and I thought it was fantastic! Hope you enjoy it too
Dear guinevere69,
Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOO much for this surprise birthday gift!!!
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Sung to the tune of Happy Birthday:
"I'm glad you're not a stalker,
The book sure is a 'corker'!
I'll read it when I can
and "enjoy it" is my plan!"
LOL!! Thanks again!
*aussie-rose tries to blow out all the candles!*
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Thank you SOOOOOOOOOOO much for this surprise birthday gift!!!
:-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) :-)
Sung to the tune of Happy Birthday:
"I'm glad you're not a stalker,
The book sure is a 'corker'!
I'll read it when I can
and "enjoy it" is my plan!"
LOL!! Thanks again!
*aussie-rose tries to blow out all the candles!*
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iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
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An enthralling and intriguing book that had me alternating between being mesmerised by the story and annoyed by the inaccuracies (that I believe it contains). I REALLY TRULY appreciate the opportunity to read it as I have wanted to read it for so long! So any criticisms I have of the book are of the 'story' and NOT of the 'giver of the RABCK' :-)
This story tries to tell the story of Dinah, the only daughter of the Biblical character Jacob. We are probably all familiar with the story of Joseph - the half brother of Dinah - who got sold as a slave to an Egyptian and eventually rose to become Governor of the land of Egypt, second only to Pharaoh. We've all heard of "Joseph and his multicoloured coat" and the Disney animated film "Prince of Egypt" is based on the story of Moses, who was a descendant of Joseph.
This book focuses on Dinah and the women of the tribe of Jacob. As a fictional story it weaved a magical scene that is well told, and thrilling to read. My problem was that it did not stick to recorded facts in the Bible but twisted some of them. Only a few sentences in the Bible are devoted to Dinah's life and the author has attempted to "tell Dinah's story" by creating a fictional set of circumstances loosely based on what MIGHT have happened. I *KNOW* that not everyone believes that the Bible is true nor will everyone even accept it as an interesting historical document. The author has obviously done a heap of research otherwise she couldn't have written such an extensive book with so many descriptions of the life of women in the nomadic tribes of the Middle East and of the lifestyle of the Egyptians. So if she accepts other historical documents as a 'fair picture' of the recorded facts of the history of the time, why can't she accept the recorded facts contained in the Bible?
I can accept where an author pads out a story and adds their own understanding and their own imagination to weave a story line for a new book. I have read a similar book ('Sarah' by Orson Scott Card) that tells of the life of Sarah, the wife of Abraham. My opinions of this book can be found here:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/journal/1920742
I know that people won't interpret the Bible exactly like I do but when an author changes or twists facts that are SO plainly written down, I find it annoying! I can accept, even if I won't necessarily agree with, authors adding details and adding their suppositions and additional research to a story but to disregard or just twist incidents that are very clearly written recorded (such as in the Bible) I find inexcusable. I guess I am concerned that people reading 'The Red Tent' will take it as the 'gospel truth' of what happened and not bother to even check out what other documents say about the incidents.
I won't list all my concerns but here are just a few to illustrate my concerns:
(1) If you read Genesis 34, verse 2 it states that Shechem violated Dinah, he defiled her, another version of the Bible says. So the basic premise of this book, that Dinah fell in love with Shechem, is wrong. Yes, it records that Shechem grew fond of Dinah and spoke tenderly to her, but, according to the Bible, he TOOK her and violated her.
(2) In the book Joseph's supposed affair with Potifar's wife is TOTALLY opposite what the Bible says!
Genesis 39 states the following: (I have edited out details that are not relevant to my argument here.)
“When his master saw that the LORD was with Joseph and that the LORD gave him success in everything he did, ……Potiphar put him in charge of his household, and he entrusted to his care everything he owned. …Potiphar did not concern himself with anything except the food he ate.
Now Joseph was well-built and handsome, and after a while his master's wife took notice of Joseph and said, "Come to bed with me!" But he refused. "With me in charge," he told her, "my master does not concern himself with anything in the house; everything he owns he has entrusted to my care. No one is greater in this house than I am. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?" And though she spoke to Joseph day after day, he refused to go to bed with her or even be with her.
One day Joseph went into the house to attend to his duties, and none of the household servants was inside. She caught him by his cloak and said, "Come to bed with me!" But he left his cloak in her hand and ran out of the house. When she saw that he had left his cloak in her hand and had run out of the house, she called her household servants. "Look," she said to them, "this Hebrew has been brought to us to make sport of us! He came in here to sleep with me, but I screamed. When he heard me scream for help, he left his cloak beside me and ran out of the house." She kept his cloak beside her until his master came home. Then she told him this story: "That Hebrew slave you brought us came to me to make sport of me. But as soon as I screamed for help, he left his cloak beside me and ran out of the house." When his master heard the story his wife told him, saying, "This is how your slave treated me," he burned with anger. Joseph's master took him and put him in prison, the place where the king's prisoners were confined.
(3) Rachel’s grave – ok this is just a small point perhaps, but again illustrates how the author disregards what is recorded in the Bible, changes the ‘facts’ and in so doing paints Jacob to be a heartless scoundrel rather than a loving husband. “The Red Tent” states that Jacob was too busy fleeing to mark Rachel’s grave except for a few pebbles. Read what the Bible says - Genesis 35 verse 19: "So Rachel died and was buried on the way to Ephrath. Over her tomb Jacob set up a pillar, and to this day that pillar marks Rachel's tomb."
There are more that I could comment on…Joseph was NOT incoherent and ‘insane’ just before his death (See Genesis 48), Jacob did not ‘flee in terror’ after the 2 sons kill all the circumcised men…. God TOLD Jacob to leave (Genesis 35) and He put terror into the hearts of all the tribes around them and NO ONE pursued them! Therefore he was not too busy to erect a pillar on Rachel’s grave!), Laban did NOT have a wife called Ruti, though it does seem to infer in the bible he was not the most efficient herdsman or nicest person on the planet, oh and Naphtali ("Tali") and Issachar ("Issa") were NOT twin brothers - in fact they were born to two different mothers (see Genesis 35:25 Issachar is Leah's son and Naphtali is Bilhah's son. So the author has taken 'poetic license' in making these two half brothers 'twins'.)
OK, OK…I have made my point! The author has obviously read the relevant chapters of the Bible during her research - she actually DOES have so many details CORRECT of places and names that it is clear she must have picked up a bible at some stage to research the characters of her book. So my 'annoyance' is this, why couldn't she fictionalise the bits that the bible DOESN'T speak about....why change and twist the things that are stated as clear "fact" even if she doesn't accept the Bible to be 'the truth of God' as Christians believe it to be?
Once again, I want to thank guinevere69 for the Birthday RABCK – it was a lot of fun getting a surprise gift. And I DID enjoy reading it, as long as I “switched off” from what I knew from my own study of the Bible, and just accepted this book as a delightful story of one person’s opinion of how the women in ancient times lived their lives.
This story tries to tell the story of Dinah, the only daughter of the Biblical character Jacob. We are probably all familiar with the story of Joseph - the half brother of Dinah - who got sold as a slave to an Egyptian and eventually rose to become Governor of the land of Egypt, second only to Pharaoh. We've all heard of "Joseph and his multicoloured coat" and the Disney animated film "Prince of Egypt" is based on the story of Moses, who was a descendant of Joseph.
This book focuses on Dinah and the women of the tribe of Jacob. As a fictional story it weaved a magical scene that is well told, and thrilling to read. My problem was that it did not stick to recorded facts in the Bible but twisted some of them. Only a few sentences in the Bible are devoted to Dinah's life and the author has attempted to "tell Dinah's story" by creating a fictional set of circumstances loosely based on what MIGHT have happened. I *KNOW* that not everyone believes that the Bible is true nor will everyone even accept it as an interesting historical document. The author has obviously done a heap of research otherwise she couldn't have written such an extensive book with so many descriptions of the life of women in the nomadic tribes of the Middle East and of the lifestyle of the Egyptians. So if she accepts other historical documents as a 'fair picture' of the recorded facts of the history of the time, why can't she accept the recorded facts contained in the Bible?
I can accept where an author pads out a story and adds their own understanding and their own imagination to weave a story line for a new book. I have read a similar book ('Sarah' by Orson Scott Card) that tells of the life of Sarah, the wife of Abraham. My opinions of this book can be found here:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/journal/1920742
I know that people won't interpret the Bible exactly like I do but when an author changes or twists facts that are SO plainly written down, I find it annoying! I can accept, even if I won't necessarily agree with, authors adding details and adding their suppositions and additional research to a story but to disregard or just twist incidents that are very clearly written recorded (such as in the Bible) I find inexcusable. I guess I am concerned that people reading 'The Red Tent' will take it as the 'gospel truth' of what happened and not bother to even check out what other documents say about the incidents.
I won't list all my concerns but here are just a few to illustrate my concerns:
(1) If you read Genesis 34, verse 2 it states that Shechem violated Dinah, he defiled her, another version of the Bible says. So the basic premise of this book, that Dinah fell in love with Shechem, is wrong. Yes, it records that Shechem grew fond of Dinah and spoke tenderly to her, but, according to the Bible, he TOOK her and violated her.
(2) In the book Joseph's supposed affair with Potifar's wife is TOTALLY opposite what the Bible says!
Genesis 39 states the following: (I have edited out details that are not relevant to my argument here.)
“When his master saw that the LORD was with Joseph and that the LORD gave him success in everything he did, ……Potiphar put him in charge of his household, and he entrusted to his care everything he owned. …Potiphar did not concern himself with anything except the food he ate.
Now Joseph was well-built and handsome, and after a while his master's wife took notice of Joseph and said, "Come to bed with me!" But he refused. "With me in charge," he told her, "my master does not concern himself with anything in the house; everything he owns he has entrusted to my care. No one is greater in this house than I am. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a wicked thing and sin against God?" And though she spoke to Joseph day after day, he refused to go to bed with her or even be with her.
One day Joseph went into the house to attend to his duties, and none of the household servants was inside. She caught him by his cloak and said, "Come to bed with me!" But he left his cloak in her hand and ran out of the house. When she saw that he had left his cloak in her hand and had run out of the house, she called her household servants. "Look," she said to them, "this Hebrew has been brought to us to make sport of us! He came in here to sleep with me, but I screamed. When he heard me scream for help, he left his cloak beside me and ran out of the house." She kept his cloak beside her until his master came home. Then she told him this story: "That Hebrew slave you brought us came to me to make sport of me. But as soon as I screamed for help, he left his cloak beside me and ran out of the house." When his master heard the story his wife told him, saying, "This is how your slave treated me," he burned with anger. Joseph's master took him and put him in prison, the place where the king's prisoners were confined.
(3) Rachel’s grave – ok this is just a small point perhaps, but again illustrates how the author disregards what is recorded in the Bible, changes the ‘facts’ and in so doing paints Jacob to be a heartless scoundrel rather than a loving husband. “The Red Tent” states that Jacob was too busy fleeing to mark Rachel’s grave except for a few pebbles. Read what the Bible says - Genesis 35 verse 19: "So Rachel died and was buried on the way to Ephrath. Over her tomb Jacob set up a pillar, and to this day that pillar marks Rachel's tomb."
There are more that I could comment on…Joseph was NOT incoherent and ‘insane’ just before his death (See Genesis 48), Jacob did not ‘flee in terror’ after the 2 sons kill all the circumcised men…. God TOLD Jacob to leave (Genesis 35) and He put terror into the hearts of all the tribes around them and NO ONE pursued them! Therefore he was not too busy to erect a pillar on Rachel’s grave!), Laban did NOT have a wife called Ruti, though it does seem to infer in the bible he was not the most efficient herdsman or nicest person on the planet, oh and Naphtali ("Tali") and Issachar ("Issa") were NOT twin brothers - in fact they were born to two different mothers (see Genesis 35:25 Issachar is Leah's son and Naphtali is Bilhah's son. So the author has taken 'poetic license' in making these two half brothers 'twins'.)
OK, OK…I have made my point! The author has obviously read the relevant chapters of the Bible during her research - she actually DOES have so many details CORRECT of places and names that it is clear she must have picked up a bible at some stage to research the characters of her book. So my 'annoyance' is this, why couldn't she fictionalise the bits that the bible DOESN'T speak about....why change and twist the things that are stated as clear "fact" even if she doesn't accept the Bible to be 'the truth of God' as Christians believe it to be?
Once again, I want to thank guinevere69 for the Birthday RABCK – it was a lot of fun getting a surprise gift. And I DID enjoy reading it, as long as I “switched off” from what I knew from my own study of the Bible, and just accepted this book as a delightful story of one person’s opinion of how the women in ancient times lived their lives.
Since posting my journal entry yesterday I have been doing a bit of my own research on the net into the concepts behind "The Red Tent". I found this interesting 'study guide' that is intended for use by a 'book club'. It has some interesting questions for readers to contemplate and discuss as they finish each chapter of the book. I'm posting the URL here in case future readers of "The Red Tent" want some probing questions to think about as they read this book:
http://urj.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=1407&pge_prg_id=26440&pge_id=1148
As an example of the type of questions posed on the above site here are a few examples:
Part One - Chapter 1:
Reread the ritual on p. 24 that welcomes Rachel into the Red Tent. Can you think of any parallel rituals that we embrace today? What is the significance of a ritual to celebrate this moment in the life of a young woman?
Part Two - Chapter 1
How does Dinah relate to her brothers? How do Diamant's descriptions of the brothers add to the biblical narrative?
Part Two - Chapter 2
Discuss Rachel's plan to take her father's teraphim. Why is this act so important to her?
On page 91, what do you make of Dinah's awareness that her aunt Rachel tells her, "Remember this moment, when your mother's body heals every trouble of your soul"?
Part Two - Chapter 7
This chapter includes the central moment of this novel and requires a great deal of reflection. Diamant reinterprets Dinah's rape as a misunderstood love affair. How do we respond to this? In the Bible, the Hebrew word for "rape" is used. Is it possible that Dinah's brothers misinterpreted her relationship to this man? Or does Diamant take her midrash (poetic license or exegesis) too far?
Part Three: Egypt - Chapter 1
Dinah is denied a mourning process after her terrible loss. She laments, "We never again spoke of our shared history, and I was bound to the emptiness of the story she told" (p. 215). For Dinah, what is the result of this denial of personal history? How are we affected in our own lives if we deny--or are denied--the memories of our past?
I have been having fun delving further into this topic, trying to 'tease out' what is genuine Hebrew culture and what is the author's opinion of what might have happened during a woman's monthly cycle and how women in these ancient tribes lived and worked. I've been reading all sorts of websites about Women & Judaism, reviews of "The Red Tent' on amazon.com etc. I think I better switch my computer off now and go and attend to my neglected family! :-)
http://urj.org/Articles/index.cfm?id=1407&pge_prg_id=26440&pge_id=1148
As an example of the type of questions posed on the above site here are a few examples:
Part One - Chapter 1:
Reread the ritual on p. 24 that welcomes Rachel into the Red Tent. Can you think of any parallel rituals that we embrace today? What is the significance of a ritual to celebrate this moment in the life of a young woman?
Part Two - Chapter 1
How does Dinah relate to her brothers? How do Diamant's descriptions of the brothers add to the biblical narrative?
Part Two - Chapter 2
Discuss Rachel's plan to take her father's teraphim. Why is this act so important to her?
On page 91, what do you make of Dinah's awareness that her aunt Rachel tells her, "Remember this moment, when your mother's body heals every trouble of your soul"?
Part Two - Chapter 7
This chapter includes the central moment of this novel and requires a great deal of reflection. Diamant reinterprets Dinah's rape as a misunderstood love affair. How do we respond to this? In the Bible, the Hebrew word for "rape" is used. Is it possible that Dinah's brothers misinterpreted her relationship to this man? Or does Diamant take her midrash (poetic license or exegesis) too far?
Part Three: Egypt - Chapter 1
Dinah is denied a mourning process after her terrible loss. She laments, "We never again spoke of our shared history, and I was bound to the emptiness of the story she told" (p. 215). For Dinah, what is the result of this denial of personal history? How are we affected in our own lives if we deny--or are denied--the memories of our past?
I have been having fun delving further into this topic, trying to 'tease out' what is genuine Hebrew culture and what is the author's opinion of what might have happened during a woman's monthly cycle and how women in these ancient tribes lived and worked. I've been reading all sorts of websites about Women & Judaism, reviews of "The Red Tent' on amazon.com etc. I think I better switch my computer off now and go and attend to my neglected family! :-)
Have heard wonderful things about this book and been wanting to read it since a coworker back in NY was reading it last northern hemisphere summer for a book group she's in.
Thanks, aussie-rose for bringing this to Adelaide for me. It was wonderful to FINALLY get to meet you tonight!
Thanks, aussie-rose for bringing this to Adelaide for me. It was wonderful to FINALLY get to meet you tonight!
I have borrowed this from my flatmate who is too busy with orientation to read. She said we were free to read the books she:s brought--great since Ive been here six months and read everything I can find in English--and I jumped on this one since Ive wanted to read it for ages.
She said that when I journalled this I should say hi to Mim and say she'll read it as soon as she has time to breathe. This BC thing is cool.
CAUGHT IN SHIN - OSAKA OSAKA JAPAN
She said that when I journalled this I should say hi to Mim and say she'll read it as soon as she has time to breathe. This BC thing is cool.
CAUGHT IN SHIN - OSAKA OSAKA JAPAN
This book is back with me, though I can't tell you when it came back. Just noticed it on my shelf when I was tidying this morning. Will ask what they thought of it, but haven't actually seen the flatmate in a few days due to opposite schedules.
Hopefully will get to read this over the new years break.
Hopefully will get to read this over the new years break.
Haven't had the chance to read this properly yet :-/ I'm terrible. Have shipped it to NY to read there and pass on to a more receptive audience. Don't want to risk it slipping through th cracks here--it's too good!
Surfaced. 6 plus years later while packing to move flats. Way past time for this to move. Will find a good home. Apologies for having it so long
October 2005, wow. Back in my early (and active!) bookcrossing days!
Time for it to move via Air Skyring who is currently in NY. Where it's off to next, we shall see.
Time for it to move via Air Skyring who is currently in NY. Where it's off to next, we shall see.
Visiting the amazing travelling SKinglist in her Manhattan bijou, she thrust this book into my trembling hands, telling me it has to be moved on, like seven years ago!
But no hurry.
Right. I'll keep it travelling.
Oh, hi, Guinevere! Missing your smile. You'll be at the Queenstown convention? Or Melbourne 2014? Or Perth 2015...
But no hurry.
Right. I'll keep it travelling.
Oh, hi, Guinevere! Missing your smile. You'll be at the Queenstown convention? Or Melbourne 2014? Or Perth 2015...
Journal Entry 12 by 
Skyring
at By mail / post / courier, By Mail/Post/Courier -- Controlled Releases on Tuesday, May 7, 2013
Skyring at By mail / post / courier, By Mail/Post/Courier -- Controlled Releases on Tuesday, May 7, 2013
Back in Australia, moving this on to a *real* traveller. One who immerses herself in the culture, not just looks out over the tarmac from the airline lounge while sipping a latte.
Journal Entry 13 by 
awaywithfairies
at Sydney CBD, New South Wales Australia on Thursday, May 9, 2013
awaywithfairies at Sydney CBD, New South Wales Australia on Thursday, May 9, 2013
Received in the mail today.Gee, this book has gone a long way - Australia, Japan, USA and back to Australia again. It surely needs to travel further!
Journal Entry 14 by awaywithfairies at Crown Hotel, Elizabeth St in Sydney CBD, New South Wales Australia on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
awaywithfairies at Crown Hotel, Elizabeth St in Sydney CBD, New South Wales Australia on Tuesday, May 14, 2013
Released 10 yrs ago (5/14/2013 UTC) at Crown Hotel, Elizabeth St in Sydney CBD, New South Wales Australia
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Taken to the Sydney Meetup.
Picked up at meetup last night. This book has indeed travelled a long way.
Picked up at the Little Library. Not sure if Pixette has just left it. If not, an amazing coincidence. And I have met most of the journallers!
Journal Entry 17 by 
Pixette
at 2014 Melbourne Convention in -- Controlled Release, Victoria Australia on Saturday, April 12, 2014
Pixette at 2014 Melbourne Convention in -- Controlled Release, Victoria Australia on Saturday, April 12, 2014
Released 10 yrs ago (4/12/2014 UTC) at 2014 Melbourne Convention in -- Controlled Release, Victoria Australia
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Released over the weekend for the convention
A journal entry to put the book back on my shelf.
I selected this book from Mt TBR to read on my travels - not realising it's been waiting a year.
We shared a bath tonight. Thank goodness hotels have hair (book) dryers! It's a little more ruffled than it was, but will survive. Hopefully I'll finish it before we get to Oxford.
We shared a bath tonight. Thank goodness hotels have hair (book) dryers! It's a little more ruffled than it was, but will survive. Hopefully I'll finish it before we get to Oxford.
Read this on QF1 from SYD-xDXB-LHR. I really enjoyed it.
Journal Entry 21 by cat207 at Terminal 5 in London - Heathrow, -- Airports & Planes -- United Kingdom on Friday, March 27, 2015
Released 9 yrs ago (3/27/2015 UTC) at Terminal 5 in London - Heathrow, -- Airports & Planes -- United Kingdom
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