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When is the time to have the debate on firearms, America? Sometime soon, I trust.

Another episode of hearing the news and wondering who I know, not just in Las Vegas, but anyone who could be visiting.

And that's just me feeling upset from the other side of the world. Those closer in space, friendship, kinship must be beside themselves with grief and worry.

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When is the time to have the debate on firearms, America? Sometime soon, I trust.

Another episode of hearing the news and wondering who I know, not just in Las Vegas, but anyone who could be visiting.

And that's just me feeling upset from the other side of the world. Those closer in space, friendship, kinship must be beside themselves with grief and worry.
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If only.

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I don't think it will happen with this administration. And, as someone else said on CBC news last night, if the shock of little children being gunned down didn't ignite a debate then nothing will. People in the US seem to be resigned to the idea that mass shootings will happen frequently. And there is a new law being considered that would make silencers easier to obtain so if it passes that will probably increase death tolls.

Four Canadians have lost their life in this latest shooting--four young people just enjoying themselves who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I am sickened by it and am seriously considering never returning to the US.
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The answer is more guns, so everyone can shoot each other.
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but if one has an ounce of understanding, it is very clear that it most certainly will never happen with trump. He would lose his entire voter base and support if he so much as mentions it. I'm sure he has no interest whatsoever in gun control. He has far more interest in stupid football players and what they do, than in protecting the lives of innocent people. More important to spend his time tweeting, than to actually do his job as a *leader*.

It is a tragic fact of life, I fear, that to those who own guns, their guns are sacred, and worth more than the lives of others. Period. And there seems no sign that that will change, any time soon.

I agree with gypsysmom, about not returning to the States. I have already vowed not to cross the border or spend a single cent of my money there while trump is in power. A pity, because I have many friends and family there but I can't, in good conscience, do that.

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It was a conservative government in power too.
https://www.popsugar.com.au/---/Gun-Control-America-After-Las-Vegas-Mass-Shooting-44100749?...
"It took just 12 days after the Port Arthur massacre for the new laws to be proposed and subsequently get passed by the Australian government. Less than two weeks."

I had two friends murdered in the Port Arthur massacre, and had met a third victim.
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And that's with the federal government having no power to regulate firearms. It meant the states and territories had to pass legislation, a remarkable feat of coöperation.
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I am sorry for your loss.

That's the difference, I think, though. The American government (as I understand it, which is to say, not very much), would never have enough support to even raise and open the conversation in places where it might matter, that is, places where some rules might be changed.

There is a writer in the States, a Republican who was once the speechwriter for George W Bush, named David Frum. He is, in fact, Canadian born, but lives and works in the States now. And although he is a Republican, he is staunchly anti-trump. Here is an interview he did on our CBC radio the other day, in which he explains (if such a thing can be *explained*) about gun regulation in the States and why it will never get better:

http://www.cbc.ca/---/on-gun-control-following-the-las-vegas-shooting-1.4318401


Quite depressing, actually...
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The time will be never. I have always admired & defended America against its critics - and here in Canada, there are plenty of critics, believe me. But I pretty much had to give up on the US after the Sandy Hook killings when some guy said "My Second Amendment rights trump your dead children." If a country or the people in a country truly believes that, then they are on a downhill road with no turning back, and I'm sincerely sorry for it.

I expect to get a lot of criticism for saying this, but that's OK - have at it. I'm depressed beyond the telling of it by what happens seemingly on a daily basis, and you can call me names if you want to.
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My Second Amendment rights trump your dead children

How would he feel if it were his children? "My Second Amendment rights trump my dead children." Because that's what he means, although he might not be worldly and intelligent enough to realise he is saying this. Frightening and sick!
The trouble is, from experience of travelling in the USA, especially in the central states, many are very unworldly and ignorant of opinions different to theirs. And the rest of the world is socialist anyway, so not worthy of consideration. Read here socialism = communism to these people.
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The time will be never. I have always admired & defended America against its critics - and here in Canada, there are plenty of critics, believe me. But I pretty much had to give up on the US after the Sandy Hook killings when some guy said "My Second Amendment rights trump your dead children." If a country or the people in a country truly believes that, then they are on a downhill road with no turning back, and I'm sincerely sorry for it.


One of the painful aspects of supporting freedom of speech is that it includes ugly, hateful remarks such as that. I do wonder sometimes if those who spout such horrifying remarks are seeking attention at any cost - are they trolling, or are they just that disconnected from what they're saying?

I expect to get a lot of criticism for saying this, but that's OK - have at it. I'm depressed beyond the telling of it by what happens seemingly on a daily basis, and you can call me names if you want to.


No name-calling here - and my only criticism would be that the majority of US citizens are as or more appalled by that kind of comment than are those outside our country. I hope the next round of elections result in more candidates who support saner gun-control laws, and will vote accordingly when my opportunities come up. Then again, seeing what happened in the last presidential election, maybe some depression on behalf of the current state of affairs in the US is justified...
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Those closer in space, friendship, kinship must be beside themselves with grief and worry.


Yes, I'm worried, but more than that, I'm appalled! Appalled that:
- 1st Amendement rights (freedom of speech/press) have come under such attack;
- environmental legislation is being pushed back;
- education policies are being dismanteled;
- coal is now being promoted as an energy source;
- the military is being politicized;
- the judiciary is being politicized;
- healthcare policy is so moving backwards;
- White House discourse is so divisive and retrograde;
- long-time allies are being pushed aside;
- much of domestic policy is announced and debated on Twitter;
- dangerous foreign adversaries are being unnecessarily provoked;
- silly domestic controversies break out each week on Twitter;
- a former president and a former political adversary are daily chastised by the White House and the conservative press, as if they were still in power;
- the Republican hierachy appears to be complicit;
- so many of my countrymen continue to actively support the man behind all this crap.
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Appalled

I'm appalled by all this, too, jonno.

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