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Wrong number caught (ETA 7/15/16 49 Missing)

I swear that there are books being wild caught, that don't show up in 'caught'. I have felt this for some time, but just a nagging feeling. But with a 'big' number, you notice. Lots.

Okay, here is my 200th caught book!!!! bells and whistles please.
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11297529
caught on 10/16.

Now here is my 200th book. less fanfare please
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11262755
caught 10/20. Last night.

I have now waited for 20 hours for the stats to update.....

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I swear that there are books being wild caught, that don't show up in 'caught'. I have felt this for some time, but just a nagging feeling. But with a 'big' number, you notice. Lots.

Okay, here is my 200th caught book!!!! bells and whistles please.
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11297529/
caught on 10/16.

Now here is my 200th book. less fanfare please
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11262755/
caught 10/20. Last night.

I have now waited for 20 hours for the stats to update.....
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My caught wild releases is so small that it hurts when the stats don't increment. Plus I've now seen 2 new members who have each caught a wild release, but their stats show as all zeros. (Nothing under Found.) That must be discouraging.

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It hurts at any time! I guess my point was watching the 199 for a loooong time, and getting so excited when I got my 200th catch! and then getting another 200th catch.....

catch #67 to #67 might make you shake your head (or 184 to 184) and say I swear that number is wrong, but... maybe I'm mistaken. So when I got a second wild catch for number 200 I went AHA! it's not totally my imagination.
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Congratulations on the catches.
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As far as I know (ie all following information my be entirely incorrect)
It's a pretty random bug that hits some people's stats some of the time - but it mostly hits people with little activity. It'll flip it's self being back to accurate again after a while (usually) and is more likely to self-correct if you generate more activity.

It is on the fix list, but i doubt that it's a high priority :(
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As far as I know (ie all following information my be entirely incorrect)
It's a pretty random bug that hits some people's stats some of the time - but it mostly hits people with little activity. It'll flip it's self being back to accurate again after a while (usually) and is more likely to self-correct if you generate more activity.

It is on the fix list, but i doubt that it's a high priority :(


Oh boy. Okay. But hopefully I won't get a third '200th' wild catch.
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Oh boy. Okay. But hopefully I won't get a third '200th' wild catch.

Look on the bright side...
You get to celebrate a "bicentennial" thrice if you get a third catch! ;)

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Released in September, caught and journaled 12/5 http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11335655/

Released in September, caught (12/11) and journalled 7 hours ago http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11187983/
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showed up last night (ie more than 12 hours ago) on my bookshelf as 'caught'. But not in the stats:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11486499/

That's the third in 3 months.

ETA: got my 'actual' 231 catch this afternoon. Stats changed, here it is
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11636479/

It's nice to get 2 wild catches in one 24 hour period, it would be nicer to get credit for them both. I guess as this bug tends to hit 'not very active' members, I'll just have to try and release MORE than 25 books a week. (sarcasm)
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Here is my 200th CR, I was watching for it because i was late sending out books.
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11627814/
Yea! It got there, with its companion, CR caught 201
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11624649/

But I was also late in sending out Birthday packages. here is CR 'caught' 201 AGAIN
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11617049/

AND again:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11646303/

Can some one define 'more active'?
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Help

I finally got CR 'caught" 202. Here it is
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10156215/

Oops, here's another CR 'caught' 202
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11625883/

To further confuse the matter wanna see my new Wild Release #231 AGAIN?
probably not, but here is 231 for a 2nd time. (for previous WR caught #231 see this same thread)
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11508785/

I may be jumping the gun, I waited over 4 hours for the stats to change. It's obviously a bad week.
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That's a little better than the previous post where I was reporting missing 4 WR 'catches' and 3 CR 'catches' missing. This is very disheartening.
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Book Number 236 Caught!!!!
#236 Impossible http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11377095/
Yea!! Bells and Whistles!!

Oops. Book #236 again caught:
A Blizzard Year http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/3379607/

Here's the recap from just this year:
230 Blessing way http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11460489/
OOPS The Third Victim http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11486499/

231 Flaw in the Blood http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11636479/
OOPS All Creatures great and small http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11508785/

232 Heat Ligtening http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11655640/
233 Hoot http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11653089/
234 Hungry Catepillar http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11647239/
235 Birth of Venus http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11308267/
236 Impossible http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11377095/

OOPS A Blizzard Year http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/3379607/

Help.
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I really do need help here.

Here is catch #237
237 Bad Cat http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11669741

Here is catch 237 again
Play it again, Spam http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11645176/

actually that would really be catch #243 but the system is not resetting and straightening out.
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The Memory Keeper's daughter http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11169156/
caught 2/13.
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http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11695813/
Caught 2/15 7 hours ago, not on stats. Sigh
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But we have no idea what's going wrong here. :-<
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But we have no idea what's going wrong here. :-<

That's okay, it helps me to stay calm and not panic. Besides, a pattern may eventually show up. I'm only missing 3 CRs and 8 wild catches since I started keeping track 4 months ago, so maybe the system will eventually correct itself as people assure me.

Did I ever mention that when I was teaching, the IT people would weep in frustration as the system would reset my password 1 month after the obligatory password 6 monthly reset. That was okay, but the system wouldn't let the SYSAdmin override and get me a new password. So I was Locked Out 10 months a year for 11 years. 4 months ain't bad....
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Received notification that 3 CR were caught. Here they are:
Curious Incident http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/9739252/
English Patient http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11415503/
Incendiary http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11038190/

My Controlled Releases Caught went from 210 to 212. Oops.
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Received notification that 3 CR were caught. Here they are:
Curious Incident http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/9739252/
English Patient http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11415503/
Incendiary http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11038190/

My Controlled Releases Caught went from 210 to 212. Oops.


Stranger and stranger. I reported to Support that of these 3 books, Curious Incident and Incendiary had 'fallen' off my bookshelf this weekend. Only the English Patient remained. After several days, the 2 lost books showed up this morning on my bookshelf, safe and sound. They didn't write, they didn't call, but they are home again...
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Even stranger. They are on my shelf as 'out of hands', 'recently journalled'. But if you click on 'caught' books, they disappear again.
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Received notification that 3 CR were caught. Here they are:
Curious Incident http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/9739252/
English Patient http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11415503/
Incendiary http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11038190/

My Controlled Releases Caught went from 210 to 212. Oops.
The "Incident" wasn't exactly caught. Gory made a JE, but left it in the box and it's still TRAV.

Regarding your later posts:
That would also explain why the "Incident" doesn't show up under "caught".
But imho Incendiary *should* and currently I have no idea why it doesn't.

By the way: I very much appreciate your continuing collection of - detailed - data! Even though my responses are scarce I see it as a valuable source of information.
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3/25/13 my Controlled releases caught is 213
Received this e-mail

The following 8 book(s) were journaled in the last 24 hours:

http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11575116/ Shaolin Sisters: Volume 4 by Toshiki Hirano, Narumi Kakinouchi on 3/26/2013 8:32 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/9970253/ Molly's Pilgrim by Barbara Cohen on 3/26/2013 8:28 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11285032/ Fushigi Yugi: Genbu Kaiden, Vol. 2 by Yuu Watase on 3/26/2013 8:34 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11637260/ Bleach, Vol. 3 by Tite Kubo on 3/26/2013 8:39 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11744414/ Absolute Boyfriend, Vol. 2 by Yuu Watase on 3/26/2013 8:33 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11746956/ Yu-Gi-Oh!, Vol. 5 by Kazuki Takahashi on 3/26/2013 8:31 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11733011/ The Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service 11 by Eiji Otsuka on 3/26/2013 8:55 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11733023/ Absolute boyfriend by Yuu Watase on 3/26/2013 8:33 PM

My controlled releases caught 3/27/13 is 213
Bugs suck.
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3/25/13 my Controlled releases caught is 213
Received this e-mail

The following 8 book(s) were journaled in the last 24 hours:

http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11575116/ Shaolin Sisters: Volume 4 by Toshiki Hirano, Narumi Kakinouchi on 3/26/2013 8:32 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/9970253/ Molly's Pilgrim by Barbara Cohen on 3/26/2013 8:28 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11285032/ Fushigi Yugi: Genbu Kaiden, Vol. 2 by Yuu Watase on 3/26/2013 8:34 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11637260/ Bleach, Vol. 3 by Tite Kubo on 3/26/2013 8:39 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11744414/ Absolute Boyfriend, Vol. 2 by Yuu Watase on 3/26/2013 8:33 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11746956/ Yu-Gi-Oh!, Vol. 5 by Kazuki Takahashi on 3/26/2013 8:31 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11733011/ The Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service 11 by Eiji Otsuka on 3/26/2013 8:55 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11733023/ Absolute boyfriend by Yuu Watase on 3/26/2013 8:33 PM

My controlled releases caught 3/27/13 is 213
Bugs suck.


Here is today's e-mail from another bookbox. I sent 8 books, I got credit for 8 books CR release. (CR caught now 221) I wonder what difference the program sees. (seems like a clue)

The following 8 book(s) were journaled in the last 24 hours:

Dear Mr Henshaw by Beverly Cleary http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11702422/ on 3/31/2013 10:15 AM
Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (Book 1) http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11702417/ by J.K. Rowling on 3/31/2013 10:17 AM
Julie of the Wolves by Jean Craighead George http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11691992/ on 3/31/2013 10:24 AM
The Persian Pickle Club by Sandra Dallas http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11696774/ on 3/31/2013 9:36 AM
Summoned to Tourney (Bedlam Bard, Book 2) http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11591905/ by Mercedes Lackey, Ellen Guon on 3/31/2013 10:22 AM
Fall On Your Knees (Oprah's Book Club) http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11691148/ by Ann-Marie MacDonald on 3/31/2013 9:40 AM
The Giver by Lois Lowry http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11702405/ on 3/31/2013 9:46 AM
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe (The Chronicles of Narnia, Book 1) http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11715935/ by C. S. Lewis on 3/31/2013 9:26 AM
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Three of these books have been journaled again, but this time my stats changedfro 231 controlled releases caught to 234. They are the following:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11575116/ Shaolin Sisters: Volume 4 by Toshiki Hirano, Narumi Kakinouchi on 3/26/2013 8:32 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11285032/ Fushigi Yugi: Genbu Kaiden, Vol. 2 by Yuu Watase on 3/26/2013 8:34 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11746956/ Yu-Gi-Oh!, Vol. 5 by Kazuki Takahashi on 3/26/2013 8:31 PM

What makes this interesting is the Absolute Boyfriend http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11733023/ was rejournaled on 4/7 and did NOT affect my stats. Hmmm.

3/25/13 my Controlled releases caught is 213
Received this e-mail

The following 8 book(s) were journaled in the last 24 hours:

http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/9970253/ Molly's Pilgrim by Barbara Cohen on 3/26/2013 8:28 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11637260/ Bleach, Vol. 3 by Tite Kubo on 3/26/2013 8:39 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11744414/ Absolute Boyfriend, Vol. 2 by Yuu Watase on 3/26/2013 8:33 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11733011/ The Kurosagi Corpse Delivery Service 11 by Eiji Otsuka on 3/26/2013 8:55 PM
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11733023/ Absolute boyfriend by Yuu Watase on 3/26/2013 8:33 PM

My controlled releases caught 3/27/13 is 213
Bugs suck.

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This weekend I has 3 wild releases caught:
247 Cool Cat, Hot dog http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11580723/ 4/1 am
248 Charlie and Glass elevatory http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11794074/ 4/1 pm
A is for Alibi http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11508831/

My WR caught changed from 246 to 248. 1 Missing.
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http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11443605/
Cry the Beloved Country. caught 4/23 should have been my 254th wild catch. Oops.
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another wild release caught, but not in stats.
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11812902/ Night sins caught 4/26

This is disheatening, 2 wild releases caught within one week, and neither is acknowledged.
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GoD and DoG http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/9964949/

released in 2011 in SW Minnesota, caught yesterday (5/8) at the border of Canada.
wild caught stats 5/7 255.
wild caught stats 5/9 255.

Drives me nuts.
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256 The Pact http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11824782/
257 The Blue Last http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11419713/ caught on 5/15
oops Green eggs http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11899421/ 5/18

258 King of Methleum http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11826922/ 5/18

Got 2 catches today. Green Eggs and ham was showing up as caught in my bookshelf this morning at 7:30 am, but my stats didn't change (257 as of 5/15). Then this afternoon, the stats changed to 258. Glory be! I thought the long awaited "correcting" by the site was occuring. Nope, just my second wild release caught for the day. So that's 50% credit right? And my 13th wild release caught of the year uncounted in stats.
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Wild caught stats as of 5/18 was 258.

5/21 Mr. Darcy's Daughters
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11574227/
is caught and journaled. Wild caught stats remain at 258.

I would appreciate occassionally (say every month or so) getting an acknowledgement that this is really seen as an issue. Particuliarly as I am having trouble believing that this problem will resolve itself as it goes on for month after month.

Thanks.
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http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11745391/
I got an alert that it was caught but it didn't show up in my stats. To further complicate things (or not) the release site and other books released there do not show up on the "go hunting" page. ???????????
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Adding to quietorchid's misery, I have recently noticed my last catches had not been accounted for...
Very disheartening indeed! :'o(
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11577874/ (already over 4 weeks old but was not accounted for last month)
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11577902/ (most recent one)
If there's a possibility that AFs ticked the 'left in the wild' box, I think this option should be disabled for AFs.
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If there's a possibility that AFs ticked the 'left in the wild' box, I think this option should be disabled for AFs.



Makes no difference. Some of my missing 'caught' books were journalled that way by BC members and AFs. Some of my 'Caught" and on my stats books were journalled that way by BC members and AFs. Wish it was an easy fix there. Sorry it seems to be happening to you also. I can only repeat what they tell me: Seems to happen to 'low-activity' members, and will correct itself in a short while. Meanwhile, 7 months later....
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Wild Caughts:
259 Archibold http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11856117/
260 Deadhouse Gates http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11823780/ 6/5/
261 Girl in the green coat http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11941665/ 6/8

OOPS: Shades of Earl Gray http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11810240/ 6/9
Stats remain at 261 after more than 3 hours.
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Yesterday morning, my CR stats was 274.

And then it went to 275. What changed?
Battle Royale, Book 2 by Koushun Takami, Masayuki Taguchi on 6/28/2013 2:01 AM http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11335652/
Absolute Boyfriend, Vol. 2 by Yuu Watase on 6/28/2013 3:38 AM http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11744414/

These 2 books were journaled, and my stat changed to 275. Absolute boyfriend is one that I posted about previously.
see http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/7900241
Battle Royale was originally 'caught' in November, before I started tracking CR stats.

The clue here is that my stats SHOULD not have changed, if the program did not have a glitch.
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These 2 books were journaled, and my stat changed to 275. Absolute boyfriend is one that I posted about previously.
see http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/7900241
Battle Royale was originally 'caught' in November, before I started tracking CR stats.

The clue here is that my stats SHOULD not have changed, if the program did not have a glitch.
That's an interesting clue, indeed. Esp. the case of the Boyfriend:

Turns out that the JE from end of March wasn't recorded as catch but only the next, more recent JE was.
In this case there may be a valid reason for that: If the checkbox saying the book was left where it was found was ticked (e.g. since it was returned into the box right away) then it wouldn't count as catch.

This could be the case with other missing *wild* catches, too, but somehow I doubt this checkbox is *mistakenly* ticked in such a high rate ...
Unfortunately we don't keep a record whether this checkbox was ticked or not.

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Turns out that the JE from end of March wasn't recorded as catch but only the next, more recent JE was.
In this case there may be a valid reason for that: If the checkbox saying the book was left where it was found was ticked (e.g. since it was returned into the box right away) then it wouldn't count as catch.


Nope. Battle Royale was 'je'd originally by a person who always checks in the box. She did it on Absolute boyfriend, she did it on Battle royale. Take a look at both entries. So either neither should have shown up here, or both should have shown up here.
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Here's wild caught #276

276 Population 489 http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11969568 7/26

2 days later, this thriller from Steven King was caught.
oops The Dark Half http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11208335/ 7/29
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277 Frontiers of Science http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11963306/ 8/2
now at 8am this journal came in. Number remained at 277
oops March http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12086142/ 8 am 8/5

2pm these 3 books journaled, number jumped to 280
278 Wolves http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12095264/ 2 pm 8/5
279 Black hearts http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12095270/ 2pm 8/5
280 Desperadieux http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12075107/ 2pm 8/5
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Yesterday, 8/12, I got Wild Catch on stats #284
Nightshade http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12059653/ 8/12

Today, Nightshade shows up as 'caught on 8/13'. No biggie, but now on my 'Books Out of hand, recently journaled' it shows that Lovely bones was caught BEFORE Nightshade. However, my stats only raised by one for both books, so

OOPS
Lovely bones http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11941660/
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292 Little Women http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12151100/ 9/5
oops A Civil Action http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12100793/ 9/7 in the am, number doesn't change until in the pm the next book is caught.

293 Hungrry Ocean http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10484371/ 9/7

ps. don't get distracted by Imagined Communities. http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12166797/ Yes, it was wild caught, yes the number is not reflected in the stats, but the finder journaled it before I could release it. Sigh.
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I have been keeping track since my 200th wild caught book. In that time, 19 books where caught and did not show up on stats. so. 100 caught, 19 'Not' caught. That is not a trivial number.

20% of books are not showing up.
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Quite pleased when I got my '300' wild catch. And then 2 hours later I get 2 more wild releases caught.
300 Into the blue http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11912676/ 9/20
301 Hanna's daughters http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12161486/ 9/21
oops A is for alibi http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12053119/ 9/21

My 'caught' stat only goes up to 301, NOT 302.
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This pathetic missive was from 9/22/13 (back when I had hopes this mattered to anyone).
I just got 'credit' on my stats for Hanna's daughters for a wild catch. So apparently it was A for Alibi that got 'caught' as #301.

So... what's the difference between Hanna and A for Alibi? The current theory is that blasted box. Doesn't fit. Hanna's 'finder' logged in to (she had joined over a year before) for BC, and stated in her journal she liked the book, and would be sending it off to PBSwap. She has been inactive since then (2 years), but in her 2 year stint she 'found' 2 BC books, neither of which was Hanna's daughters. Yet she stated she was sending it off somewhere (ie not left where I found it box). So it never made stats anywhere, until it showed up as 'catch' #444 for me on on 9/9/15 when an AF made a journal saying they got it through PBS. So which book got checked with that stupid box? Hanna from a member who was sending it off? Or A for Alibi who was unclear about the whereabouts? http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12053119/

In September of 2013 I guessed A is for Alibi, but it looks like it was Hanna http://www.bookcrossing.com/journal/12161486/.



Quite pleased when I got my '300' wild catch. And then 2 hours later I get 2 more wild releases caught.
300 Into the blue http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11912676/ 9/20
301 Hanna's daughters http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12161486/ 9/21
oops A is for alibi http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12053119/ 9/21

My 'caught' stat only goes up to 301, NOT 302.

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304 All the Kings Men http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11653357/ BB 9/22

OOPS Children of the River http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/1829385/ 9/23

305 Ghost Girl http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11925096/ 9/24

So. This is now my 21st 'wild caught' book not caught. This is getting a little old.
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This is part of a book box I sent out:

Consider the eel http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10206613/
The meaning of everyting http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/3993416/
Bananas http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11407060/
Oranges http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11204521/

Coal http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10467998/
On the Courthouse lawn http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11765633/

I actually got 'credit' for them all in my stats. Interestingly, all were marked left in the box by their first receiver. At that time, I did NOT get 'credit'. The box has gone on to a new person, she has removed these 5 books from the box. They all now show up on my stats.

However, if you got to my books, search All books> Out of Hands> Registered by Any> Caught
only Coal and On the Courthouse Lawn will show up.

I still think the 'left in place' box causes problems for the stats that jumps to the wild releases stats, kind of like an echo.

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344. Flu. http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12010837/

This was taken out of a controlled releases bookbox on 7/27/13.

I did not get 'credit' for it, and did not report it as 'missing'. This is MaryZee's reconstituted bookbox. http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12066669/
It went out to Colorado. The entire box of 14 books (plus one journal) was journalled in CO. 5 books were removed, the remaining 9 were checked as 'left where you found it'.

here is the list of books 'caught' in that transaction:
290-294. Maryzee Box. Innae marked 5 as tbr 7/27
Shuttle :http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12066669/
Packing for mars http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/8251747/
Rubbish http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11969566/
Pshics of Star trk http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12059711/
Deadly Feasts http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11525100/
rest she marked as travelling. See Shuttle book.

next book 'caught', not involved in box.
295 Princess Elizabeth's spy http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11969565/ 7/28

Some of the books eventually show up on stats, but not all. here are the ones that eventually have shown up:

302 Air that kills http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12064873/ (marked left in place by innae, now 'caught' and in stats w/oliviapoolside) 8/27
316 Consider the eel http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10206613/
317 The meaning of everyting http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/3993416/
318 Bananas http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11407060/
319 Oranges http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11204521/
320 Coal http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10467998/
321 On the Courthouse lawn http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11765633/
and now 344,Flu.

So it appears ONE theory of check in box is correct. Supposedly they do not show up in stats until someone journals them without checking that box. However, there are still times when this has not been true. See:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/7970559

Finally, Consider the Eel is now visible on my All books>any registrant>Out of Hands>Caught. It was not visible previously. I believe it is because it has now passed through yet another set of hand. http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10454736/
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Controlled release missing. This time there is no doubt. It was taken from a bookbox, journalled and marked reserved. So the missing stats cannot be explained away by 'left in the box'.

338 My stroke of insight med box iv 10/22
339 The Stand vol1 10/23 http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11964039/
340 The stand vol2 10/23 http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11965816/
OOPS the Stand Vol3 10/23 http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12033645/
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Overnight I had 2 books wild caught:

324 Caught http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10047996/ 11/13
oops Prince Caspian http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12186402/

my stats went from 323 caught to 324.
Prince Caspian was probably marked left where it was from the journal. What makes Prince Caspian so frustrating is that I released the entire Chronicles of Narnia. I do this in small towns without access to books. I recognize at the time I will be lucky if one of the 7 books is journalled, but leaving all 7 makes it more of a happy find to the reader. I was lucky. 1 of the 7 was journalled, but the stats won't even pick that 1 book up.
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324 Caught http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10047996/ 11/13

oops Prince Caspian http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12186402/ 11/13

oops Disobedience http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12173790/ 11/17

So that makes Disobedience my 23rd wild catch that isn't a catch. No wonder my stats suck.
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334 Laughing Dragon http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12380490/ 12\18

Journaled yesterday, more than 24 hours have passed, I don't believe the stats will update.
oops Garden of Good and Evil 12/20
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Oops. 1/17/14 383 Controlled releases caught.

1/18/14
One for the money http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12030533/ is caught.

1/19/14 383 Controlled releases caught.

Interesting, as the person joined in May 2013, and had 'wild caught' another of my books, bridgitk has 'found' 1 books. Hmmm. Can you join and journal 2 books, yet only 'find' 1?
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346 Carl's Christmas http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12307036/ caught 2/14

OOPS The Lost World http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12266708/ caught 2/24
Stats remained 346
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The Kennel club book is disappointing, because the AF was so excited, she took it to wyoming to release.

oops The AKC Complete Dog Book http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12354270/
oops Misterious http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12101649/

370 1000 Acres http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12658891/ 6/1
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There has been talk that ticking the box saying you left it where you found it can cause this problem. However this doesn't appear to be the case with these two wild catches.

I am lucky so far and haven't had any stats missing for any of my wild catches or controlled releases. When I get the email alert I find the stats have updated too.

Do you think it could be it slows down the longer you have been bookcrossing and the more stats you have already causes it to have a blip? I haven't heard any other bookcrossers with high stats mention it, so I guess not.

Hope it doesn't continue for much longer though, it must be very frustrating!
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wild releases 'caught in stats 6/16 371
oops Waterlily journalled 6/20 http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12100784/

371 A Flaw in the Blood 6/16 http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11968553/

Stats remain at 371
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ETA: just got another catch! Yea! This one registered on stats, By the #375 Sword http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12275883/

It's been one of those slow periods. No books caught for a while, and suddenly 3 books caught! Yea!!! Oops, only two books caught....
Stats are at 374 wild caught after more than 24 hours.
oops? Death of a witch http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11712495/ 7/16
374 Map of the World http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11931460/ 7/16
373 Zits http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12764954/ 7/15
372 Frankenstein http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12198387/ 6/28
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Waaah!!!

Another one. July has been a long month.
30th WR book caught, not on stats.

Oops? The Magician's Nephew http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11726234/ 7/24
375 By the Sword http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12275883/ 7/18
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This book was caught yesterday and wasn't recorded as such in my stats:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12736396/
It still has the "travelling" status. I was wondering again* if the possibility that AF ticked the box "left in the wild" could prevent the system from recording it as caught???

* my previous post on the subject in May 2013 confirms this theory that either ticking this box or the "travelling" status before submitting the entry (whereas default status when a book is caught is automatically "to be read") leaves the catch unrecorded:
Adding to quietorchid's misery, I have recently noticed my last catches had not been accounted for...
Very disheartening indeed! :'o(
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11577874/ (already over 4 weeks old but was not accounted for last month)
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11577902/ (most recent one)
If there's a possibility that AFs ticked the 'left in the wild' box, I think this option should be disabled for AFs.


This theory is also totally confirmed by quietorchid's examples (the non accounted for also kept the "travelling" status).

My question: Is it possible to see on the source of the book page whether the person who caught the book ticked the box "left in the wild" (I checked on my recent book above but I am not very familiar with the codes and couldn't find such info around the AF's entry...). Could somebody from the tech team, or Ardik, do some verifications with my examples and quietorchid's?

THANKS in advance. Without an answer here, I'll take the liberty of writing to support.

Some random books of quietorchids that she claims haven't been accounted for and have the "travelling" status:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11726234/
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/11712495/
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12101649/
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12186402/
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12173790/
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/1829385/
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12053119/
...
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Latest caught wild release gone.

oops Quality of Life report http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12845708/ 9/30
382 Catching Fire http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12925224/ 9/28


I don't even bother with controlled release reporting anymore. What's the point?
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Moem pointed out in my "Blank Slate" thread above, that this book might not have been counted as it is shown 'in the wild'. Don't know where that info comes from, but if the finder checked that box, 'left it where I found it' shouldn't it still be in the zone where it was released? It's not:
Caribou Coffee in Longlake Minnesota http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/415572

Latest caught wild release gone.

oops Quality of Life report http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12845708/ 9/30
382 Catching Fire http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12925224/ 9/28


I don't even bother with controlled release reporting anymore. What's the point?

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if the finder checked that box, 'left it where I found it' shouldn't it still be in the zone where it was released?

It should. If it's not (like this one), then *that* would be a bug.
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if the finder checked that box, 'left it where I found it' shouldn't it still be in the zone where it was released?

It should. If it's not (like this one), then *that* would be a bug.

Default status when a book is caught is "to be read". I am now sure that deliberately changing the status to "travelling"* generates that bug it the stats. It definitely shouldn't.

IMHO, even checking the "left in the wild" box should trigger a catch for the releaser: the book has been caught... and left where it was found. The only good side of this "left in the wild" box is that the book supposedly still appears in the Go Hunting section... which again is not always the case. It would be very nice if this was seriously looked into!

*probably by ignorance (it shows in the forums that many newbies don't understand the book statuses well)
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if the finder checked that box, 'left it where I found it' shouldn't it still be in the zone where it was released?

It should. If it's not (like this one), then *that* would be a bug.


See the below message from Ardachy
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/7970409
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Yet another one for me as well:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12736397/

Obvious scenario in my opinion: AF caught (yes CAUGHT) the book, kept it for a while, read it or not, and left it somewhere (same place, other place, handed it to someone, who knows) and when eventually journaled the book, considered it as "travelling".
But I repeat myself, the book was caught AS LONG AS IT CHANGED HANDS or was journaled. There are too many of these books that escape the stats and I will keep considering that unfair.

I believe the technical adjustment is not hard to make: leave the possibility to tick the "left where found" box SO AS THE BOOK STILL SHOWS UP IN THE GO HUNTING PAGES, but consider it as caught nevertheless. Also consider it as caught if AF or new member changes the default status when journalling the book. It makes much more sense to me.

I will not stop complaining until a solution is found... ;o) Ardik, are you there somewhere ?
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I will not stop complaining until a solution is found...


Why bless your little heart. There is strength in numbers (and in detailed notes on each book which is a pain, but helpful).
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Ardik, are you there somewhere ?

He's within nudging distance, so I will nudge him in your name.
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Ardik, are you there somewhere?

He's within nudging distance, so I will nudge him in your name.

How sweet of you, thanks!
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Ardik, are you there somewhere ?

He's within nudging distance, so I will nudge him in your name.

I'm afraid he wasn't nudged hard enough to make it here... ;o)

Here's another one missing from my catch stats. Catcher means to have the book on its way again "soon", which means he didn't leave it where he found it. I'm more and more convinced than clicking "travelling" instead of leaving the default status does the (bad) trick...
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12874954

On a different note, I bumped into one of my books http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12922157 this evening trying to chase another one, took a pic, left it there, made a JE saying so and ticked the magic box, but the book disappeared from the Go Hunting section (but is still accounted for in the numbers...)
http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/763329
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made a JE saying so and ticked the magic box,



Ow. Ow. Ow.
From my experience, that one probably will never get 'caught' once you added another journal entry. If I run accross on, I edit my previous JE to say where it now it. Good luck.
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made a JE saying so and ticked the magic box,



Ow. Ow. Ow.
From my experience, that one probably will never get 'caught' once you added another journal entry. If I run across on, I edit my previous JE to say where it now it. Good luck.


I actually don't mind that one ;o) as it was initially released by myself and subsequently caught by elle-m. I am afraid she is the one who will be missing a catch in her stats *if* the book is journaled by someone else after that.

(I wasn't mentioning that one with regards to the missing catches stats, but to point out that the book is not showing in the Go Hunting any more, in spite of still being counted as such).
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Here's an interesting one. Caught on 11/4, and e-mail sent this morning. Should have changed my Caught stats to '387', but didn't. Person who found the book joined. Look at their bookshelf, thay haven't 'found' any books.

oops To Kill a Mocking Bird http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12613352/ 11/4
386 The Persian Pickle Club http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12939250/ 10/31
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Still at 386 wild caight

oops She's Come Undone http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12892194/ 11/6
oops To Kill a Mocking bird http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12613352/ 10/4
386 The Persian Pickle Club http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12939250/ 10/31
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oops She's Come Undone http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12892194/ 11/6
oops To Kill a Mocking bird http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12613352/ 10/4

Look like more cases of 'magic box ticking' to me. If you keep counting those, you'll be counting them forever.
I don't see that as a glitch; the box is intended to indicate "I saw this book but did not take it". If users are using it wrong, that is user error, not a bug.
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'magic box ticking'

Unfortunately, if you go through this entire sorry thread, that does not account for all of the missing.

But on the bright side, just like 'it usually goes away after a few weeks', and 'it only tends to happen to inactive members', it's a reason to ignore a clear and long standing problem. After all, pick A, B, or now, Magic box C.
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magic box ticking'

Unfortunately, if you go through this entire sorry thread, that does not account for all of the missing.

True, and the other ones are what would bother me most. Those are the real, ugly glitches and bugginess.
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I last posted in November 0f 2014, when two books went missing in a row. (386). Here's another

Caught 5/1/15, stats remain at 421.
OOPS The Woman lit by Fireflies http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12946129/ 5/1/15 r. 10/14
Caught 4/30/15 stats change to 421
421 La Doctora http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10383504/ 4/30/15 r. 1/12
420 Luke Goes to Bat http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12220635/ 4/24/15 r. 10/13
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It always comes in streaks. I'm still at 421 'caught'.Here's another one:
422
oops Vogue Knitting socks2 http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/13320967/ 5/6/15 r. 4/15

OOPS The Woman lit by Fireflies http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12946129/ 5/1/15 r. 10/14
421 La Doctora http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10383504/ 4/30/15 r. 1/12
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Third book caught since the beginning of May. Third book not shown on stats.

oops Morality for Beautiful girls http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12341106/ 5/11/15 r. 11/13

oops Vogue Knitting socks2 http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/13320967/ 5/6/15 r. 4/15

OOPS The Woman lit by Fireflies http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12946129/ 5/1/15 r. 10/14
421 La Doctora http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/10383504/ 4/30/15 r. 1/12
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And I start off another month with missing books.
as of 6/5 (just like 5/30) I have 426 books caught. NOT.

OOPS The Dressmaker http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12764887/ 6/4/15 r.7/2014
426 Elusive Mrs Pollifax http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12287736/ 5/30/15 r.

I am feeling that no one really cares. No one is looking at this problem that continues on and on and on...
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Darn. I thought I was clear of this 'short term' bug.


OOPS Glory in Death http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12912608/ 8/4/15 r. 9/14
437 Phantom of the Opers http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12348815/ 8/1/15 r. 12/13
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OOPS Glory in Death http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12912608/ 8/4/15 r. 9/14

Looks like another case of the magic box. That's the system working as expected. Did the other one not get counted?
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No, 437 got counted, then came Glory in Death, and then 438 showed up.

here's the sequence:
438 Year of Wonders http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/13510056/ 8/5/15 r. 8/15

OOPS Glory in Death http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12912608/ 8/4/15 r. 9/14
437 Phantom of the Opers http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/12348815/ 8/1/15 r. 12/13
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437 got counted, then came Glory in Death, and then 438 showed up.

Okay, so this case is not the result of a bug, just a feature that you don't like. It's not necessarily a nicer experience, but still a very different thing.
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437 got counted, then came Glory in Death, and then 438 showed up.

Okay, so this case is not the result of a bug, just a feature that you don't like. It's not necessarily a nicer experience, but still a very different thing.


I hope it's the same bug. If you look at my stats and the dates, I was at 436 books 'caught' for over a week, and then Phantom of the Opera was 'caught'. My stat went to 437. Then three days later Glory in Death (the oops) was journaled and I received an alert. My stats did NOT change. I was still at 437. Then 24 hours later, Year of Wonders was journaled, I received an alert, and my stats finally changed to 438.

So, if it is a feature that my stats don't reflect what has occurred, then yes, I DON'T like that feature. Change it. Or else it is the same bug, where caught books are not recorded by BC in the stats.

So which one is this occurrence? Feature or bug?
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So, if it is a feature that my stats don't reflect what has occurred, then yes, I DON'T like that feature. Change it.

So which one is this occurrence? Feature or bug?

Feature, like I said. I'm sorry that you don't like it. I can't change it though. So there's no use in ordering me to do so.

Personally I don't care that much about my stats. I have no idea whether they're correct... probably not. But you obviously care a lot, and it's no fun when things don't work right.
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Feature, like I said. I'm sorry that you don't lik


What feature is it that you are talking about? I am very, very confused. I think this is a miscommunication, so please explain what feature you think this feature is. Thank you.
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What feature is it that you are talking about?

The box that finders can tick if they leave a book where they found it, after which the book is still marked as being in the wild, still visible on Go Hunting, and not counted as caught.
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What feature is it that you are talking about?

The box that finders can tick if they leave a book where they found it, after which the book is still marked as being in the wild, still visible on Go Hunting, and not counted as caught.


Thanks for the reply, but Nope, sorry. This missing book brought to you by the continuation of the 2 year and 10 month bug afflicting me. That feature, which I think should be easy to fix as I and others have argued elsewhere is not at play here. I just back tracked Glory in Death. It was released at Fairview Ridges Hospital in Burnsville MN. You cannot find it among the books at that location through Go Hunting. It was journalled in Wisconsin (about 2 european countries distance away) as being 'found' at a Little Free Library there.

Question: Is this why my problem is ignored? Because it is dismissed as someone not 'liking' a feature no one likes? I have been documenting for 2 years and 10 months so the known bug can be traced and fixed. Are all my problems dismissed without anyone even looking at the missing books?

How disheartening.
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Thanks for the reply, but Nope, sorry. This missing book brought to you by the continuation of the 2 year and 10 month bug afflicting me.

How can we be sure? It is, after all, marked as In the Wild. Since AF cannot make release notes, how else could that have happened? It looks like a legit case of 'left it where I found it' to me.

That feature, which I think should be easy to fix as I and others have argued elsewhere is not at play here.

What do you mean when you say 'fix'?

I just back tracked Glory in Death. It was released at Fairview Ridges Hospital in Burnsville MN. You cannot find it among the books at that location through Go Hunting.

This is true. Now, that, I would call a bug. Because it should still be shown there.

Question: Is this why my problem is ignored? Because it is dismissed as someone not 'liking' a feature no one likes?

I don't know why other people do what they do (or don't do). And I'm not the fixer around here. I can't speak for others.
I do know that the resources for fixing anything about this site are scarce, and I can see why this would not be top of the list: it seems to affect a small part of the membership. We have more urgent problems that remain unfixed so far, as well.
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That feature, which I think should be easy to fix as I and others have argued elsewhere is not at play here.



What do you mean when you say 'fix'?


Get rid of the box. Hide it, remove it as an option. I don't follow my missing controlled releases as about 50% of them were due to that box. That still left the other 50%. I track the wild ones, because that is mostly due to the bug that only affects a small part of the membership. Perhaps it is one reason some of the membership drops out.

As for limited resources, I am cognizant of that aspect. That is why I have been tracking this for 2 years and 10 months, mostly to have it discounted as either a 'feature' or a known bug that doesn't really affect people for long, or not much. More than 2 years is a long time. It does affect whoever the bug settles on.
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Get rid of the box. Hide it, remove it as an option.

I like the box. I want finders to have a way to indicate exactly this: that they left the book where they found it.

I don't have a strong opinion on whether or not that should be counted as a catch, I can see both sides there.

It's still not up to me, though.
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I had hoped the updated program fixes would solve this problem. Maybe if I just wait one or two months? (intermittent problem that solves itself) or if I just release more books? (problem that only occurs to inactive members).

Four Years now I've been documenting this.....

473 December Heat http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/13843175/ 2/10/16 r. 2/16
472 Canapes for Kitties http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/13628233/ 2/7/15 r. 10/15

OOPS New Jack http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/13710963/ 2/5/16 r. 11/15
471 Grand Tour http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/13808397/ 1/25/16 r. 1/16

OOPS Curious Incident http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/13612475/ 1/21/16 r. 10/15
470 A Year in Provence http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/13791057/ 1/9/16 r. 1/16
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These look like two more cases of 'left the book where I found it'. I guess you still don't like that feature.
It would be interesting to separate the cases of 'magic box' from the unexplained glitches.
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Actually, if you read the journal entries, there is many miles between release and where the books were caught. The latest excuse for the discrepancies (they must have checked a box 'left where found) is no more plausible than the previous 2 excuses (intermitant and short lived, and only affects inactive members).

We are talking about 10% of journals not being accounted for. Possibly more as I gave up on documenting for CR years ago. Are you really suggesting that all Bookcrossers lose 10% of their 'catches' and I am the only one who notices? If so, that's either lamer than the first 2 excuses, or it bespeaks an interesting opinion of BCers' intelligence which I am afraid I do not share. Here's a thought; why not treat it as a 'bug' and fix it?
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Actually, if you read the journal entries, there is many miles between release and where the books were caught.

Okay, but still, since the books are still indicated as being in the wild, what indication do we have that the finders possibly did not tick the box?

Are you really suggesting that all Bookcrossers lose 10% of their 'catches' and I am the only one who notices?

No, I'm not suggesting such a thing. It seems rather more plausible to me that most BookCrossers either accept the 'magic box' feature the way it is. But sure, there must be many of us who do not watch our stats (such as me), and thus don't notice discrepancies. That doesn't mean we're unintelligent, it means that we have other priorities.
And it wouldn't surprise me if 10% of finders tick that box for one reason or another.

Here's a thought; why not treat it as a 'bug' and fix it?

Here's my guess: Because it's debatable whether it's a bug. Is a book caught if someone leaves it in place, but reports it? I can see either side of that.
(And then of course there's as always the scarcity of BC's programming resources. Personally I'd give higher priority to the error messages people get when registering a book, and the problems people have with their shortcut lists. But that, too, is debatable and as you know, I'm not in a position to fix any of these problems.)
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One last point. The magic box has been brought up before as the panacea to make this problem a non-problem. Unfortunately, the disproof of that is also in this very long 4 year thread. If the magic box is checked, and no stat is registered, and then if the book is journalled again AND released in a new place, the stat should change (presupposing it is not two AF in a row). There have been several cases of that with the missing books, and the stats did not change.

So the insistence that this isn't a bug leaves only 3 options: all BCers except one are either easy going and have never excitedly looked at a book when it is journalled or else they are stupid; one BCer alone is perhaps psychotic; or lastly support could care less and finds blanket denial an easier method than looking at a problem.
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If the magic box is checked, and no stat is registered, and then if the book is journalled again AND released in a new place, the stat should change (presupposing it is not two AF in a row).
Now that part, I would agree, is certainly a bug.

support could care less and finds blanket denial an easier method than looking at a problem.
Support cares, I can assure you that. But Support is a (teeny tiny) group of volunteers who can do certain things, and fixing bugs is not among those things. The Tech Team could, but they are spread thinner than anyone would like, including the techies themselves.

I prefer not to call anyone stupid or psychotic.
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leaves only 3 options: all BCers except one are either easy going and have never excitedly looked at a book when it is journalled or else they are stupid; one BCer alone is perhaps psychotic; or lastly support could care less and finds blanket denial an easier method than looking at a problem.


Or the fourth option, I excitedly look at every book that is journalled, I smile, I do the happy dance, I'm elated, and I don't go check my stats. I'm happy that someone has caught the book and taken the time and made the effort to make a journal entry, I think "that's why I do this, that's what BookCrossing is all about, to share books with others" and I don't go check my stats. I don't think I'm stupid, I don't think you're psychotic, I do think tech support is understaffed and likely overwhelmed, and I don't go check my stats.

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