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CLOSED: Who will have the convention in 2020 - The Gold Coast Australia

St. Louis, MO, USA (2004)
Fort Worth, TX, USA (2005)
Toronto, Canada (2006)
Charleston, SC, USA (2007)
London, UK (2008)
Christchurch, New Zealand (2009)
Amsterdam, the Netherlands (2010)
Washington DC, USA (2011)
Dublin, Ireland (2012)
Gothenburg, Sweden (2013)
Melbourne, Australia (2014)
Oxford, UK (2015)
Athens, Greece (2016)
Oslo, Norway (2017)
Bordeaux, France (2018)
Mainz, Germany (2019) - 26.-28.04.2019
The Gold Coast, Australia 2020

The bids for 2020 will be presented at the 2018-convention in Bordeaux.

You don't have to be present yourself to make the bid, someone can do it for you.

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St. Louis, MO, USA (2004)
Fort Worth, TX, USA (2005)
Toronto, Canada (2006)
Charleston, SC, USA (2007)
London, UK (2008)
Christchurch, New Zealand (2009)
Amsterdam, the Netherlands (2010)
Washington DC, USA (2011)
Dublin, Ireland (2012)
Gothenburg, Sweden (2013)
Melbourne, Australia (2014)
Oxford, UK (2015)
Athens, Greece (2016)
Oslo, Norway (2017)
Bordeaux, France (2018)
Mainz, Germany (2019) - 26.-28.04.2019
The Gold Coast, Australia 2020

The bids for 2020 will be presented at the 2018-convention in Bordeaux.

You don't have to be present yourself to make the bid, someone can do it for you.
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I know it's a bit early, but I thougth it would be better with a new tread for 2020.
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You can join us here:
bc2018bdx ad gmx dot fr

If you could not be present, we can to it for you, just send uns all the informations (date, place, comittee)

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I am copying this post that stinalyn wrote in another thread (I know this is the 2020-thread, but too early to put out the 2021-thread, so just to keep the comment here as a reminder until next year:-)
"I really want Northern Colorado to do at least an UnCon sometime. Fort Collins (where I am) is a great low-key location and is getting some good facilities for convention activities, and Boulder, Denver, and Rocky Mountain National Park are close enough that visitors can build really nice vacations around the event. The main obstacles are that our BC community is not very cohesive right now, and travelling to and within the US, even for citizens, is not a happy thing these days. Maybe in 2021, it will be different, assuming the USA is still a thing.

Anyway, my goal is to strengthen the community here to the point we can work on a Con or UnCon plan for 2021."
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I believe Boulder is rather "alternative" but I know nothing about the other cities mentioned.
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I am copying this post that stinalyn wrote in another thread (I know this is the 2020-thread, but too early to put out the 2021-thread, so just to keep the comment here as a reminder until next year:-)
"I really want Northern Colorado to do at least an UnCon sometime. Fort Collins (where I am) is a great low-key location and is getting some good facilities for convention activities, and Boulder, Denver, and Rocky Mountain National Park are close enough that visitors can build really nice vacations around the event. The main obstacles are that our BC community is not very cohesive right now, and travelling to and within the US, even for citizens, is not a happy thing these days. Maybe in 2021, it will be different, assuming the USA is still a thing.

Anyway, my goal is to strengthen the community here to the point we can work on a Con or UnCon plan for 2021."

Well Done, Stinalyn. You are going about things the right way. You need a small team ( generally 5 or 6 people can manage it if you have someone prepared to lead, someone to do the finance and somebody to do a website). As travelina says previous convention organisers will help and advise and even offer to run a small part of your activities for you e.g. a bookswap game or the NSS. Good Luck with your plans and let us know if we can help.
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Oh good, I'm glad I saw this. I'll contact stinalyn and let her know I'm willing to help coordinate an Unconvention 2021.
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Like MLA say, it's a bit early to talk about a bid that you have to wait a year to make..., but if you are thinking of placing a bid in Bordeaux in April 2018 for the 2020-convention, feel free to ask the Oslo convention team if you have any questions. You can send a PM to one of us. I am sure previous convention organizers are also happy to share their knowledge, we got valuable advice from more of them:-)
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LeishaCamden wrote in another thread:
The rumor I have heard is that some of the Finnish BXers are considering putting in a bid for Tampere to host in 2020. Which would be amazing IMO. :-) But I have only heard this from the Swedes and not from the Finns themselves, so I don't know how committed they are. But I would absolutely love to go to Finland, I love Finland. :-)


So mayby Tampere in 2020? Fingers crossed:-)
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So mayby Tampere in 2020? Fingers crossed:-)

Yes, I would like to say "Hello" to Arto Paasilinna ;-)
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So mayby Tampere in 2020? Fingers crossed:-)

Yes, I would like to say "Hello" to Arto Paasilinna ;-)

Isn't it still dark there in April?
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So mayby Tampere in 2020? Fingers crossed:-)

Yes, I would like to say "Hello" to Arto Paasilinna ;-)

Isn't it still dark there in April?


No, there will absolutely be daylight present.
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Isn't it still dark there in April?


It's sunrise at 05:43 and sunset at 21:05 at April 21, 2020 in Tampere, according to the website timeanddate.com.

Even in late December, it won't be completely dark in Tampere. Sunrise at 09:42 and sunset at 15:03 at December 21.

https://www.timeanddate.com/---/tampere
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So mayby Tampere in 2020? Fingers crossed:-)

Yes, I would like to say "Hello" to Arto Paasilinna ;-)

Isn't it still dark there in April?


No, it's just like in Norway. The weather is often a little bit better in that part of the country than in Oslo since it's a little more sheltered. :-)
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It's great that we are thinking that far ahead already.
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It's great that we are thinking that far ahead already.

I agree!
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It's all down to individual BookCrossers though. The only way there will be a convention is if there are volunteers willing to do all the work. And more than just one super enthusiast - hosting a convention is a team effort. That's why the conventions keep being in Europe. This is where the volume of active BookCrossers is now. I would not hold my breath for the convention to go to either Asia or South America - at this point it would be exotic for it to get to *North* America again.

Not trying to dampen your enthusiasm, it's just pretty pointless to suggest locations in other parts of the world from your own. The convention is a local volunteer initiative. If the volunteers aren't there, the convention can't happen. So these "wish lists" are really just pointless. Sorry.
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Totally agree with you, Leisha Camden. But if I knew I was still in Nepal in two years (and lils74 too) I would have put a bid in for Kathmandu.
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Totally agree with you, Leisha Camden. But if I knew I was still in Nepal in two years (and lils74 too) I would have but a bid in for Kathmandu.

If you would go back for the convention ApoloniaX, then I think you and lils74 should totally put a bid in!
Would be great to support their tourism economy, and perhaps also some Nepali writers - I only know of Subin Bhattarai
Plus I'm sure the Himalayas are on more than 1 BookCrossers bucket lists!
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Totally agree with you, Leisha Camden. But if I knew I was still in Nepal in two years (and lils74 too) I would have put a bid in for Kathmandu.

If you would go back for the convention ApoloniaX, then I think you and lils74 should totally put a bid in!
Would be great to support their tourism economy, and perhaps also some Nepali writers - I only know of Subin Bhattarai
Plus I'm sure the Himalayas are on more than 1 BookCrossers bucket lists!

I'm afraid, but that would be a risky business, this is a third world country after all, things aren't quite like in the rich countries - for example you can't just organise everything online, you need to be there. If you look at Nepal's recent history you know you can't rely on that much, a king was murdered, there was a civil war over 10 years and more political unrest every day, then the earthquake...., etc. Having somebody there I think is necessary. Apart from that I have no idea where I will be in two years (I think lils74 neither) and whether I'll have enough time and money to go to Nepal. Anyway, thanks for the encouragement.
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Would be great to support their tourism economy, and perhaps also some Nepali writers - I only know of Subin Bhattarai
Plus I'm sure the Himalayas are on more than 1 BookCrossers bucket lists!

That would be wonderful. My husband was in Kathmandu in November and it is one of his most favourite places to have visited.
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I saw with likes on Facebook there are active bookcrossers there! I was enthousiasting them.
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Up!

Any idea?
Any candidates?
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Eleven

A Convention definitely needs a team on the ground because it is a big job arranging venues and keeping track of attendees and finances, arranging speakers and so on.

America has fallen off the radar a little, I think because it's an expensive business to book a hotel in a big city. The DC and KC affairs followed that model and I think both organising committees came up short financially.

For an UnConvention in the Australia/New Zealand model, we ditch the convention hotel, and the only formal events are dinners and a release walk on the Saturday. Works out a lot cheaper and more casual.

Some recent A/NZ Uncons have been organised without anyone actually on the ground. Queenstown and Stewart Island were done that way, and the Hobart thing later this year is being organised without anyone actually living in Hobart.

Those pesky New Zealanders are planning something even more outrageous for 2021, but they have forgotten that it's Australia's turn in 2020...

So maybe American BookCrossers could choose a different model that doesn't involve a grand hotel ballroom?
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Australia's turn in 2020...

I think that for Australia's turn for the Unconvention in 2020 we should do something really outrageous. Such as go to somewhere else in the Pacific. How about Hawaii? (I am not expecting the Hawaiian BCers to get involved if they are not interested - that up to them - but it would be nice if they attended too.) Australia/NZ annual Unconventions are very casual. Basically we just turn up and socialise.
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.....Such as go to somewhere else in the Pacific. How about Hawaii?

Great minds! I PMed Hyphen8 last night posing the questions whether her and Ghir may have an overwhelming desire to host Hawaii in 2020!

Granted, maybe not applicable to you Skyring, but I myself have travelled to some rather "out there" destinations in the past 10 years and yet have recently been granted 2 year resident visa inc work rights for the USA.
Admitedly I had to go through some pretty strenuous administrative challenges, but I'm here, it happened!
Note for others - booking on carriers such as Jetstar (one of the cheapest airlines to travel on for flights between Australia and Hawaii) you can get an Visa Waiver ESTA.
Plus if you can jag a sale fare on Jetstar you can often get $99 one way fares out of Australia to Hawaii!
Don't let a "ballistic missile threat" scare you off!
Where there's a will....and all that.

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Granted, maybe not applicable to you Skyring, but I myself have travelled to some rather "out there" destinations in the past 10 years and yet have recently been granted 2 year resident visa inc work rights for the USA.
It came in late in the previous age, when Obama made it mandatory to get a visa if one had been to Iran and a few other places.

Prior to that, it was fine. Relations between the two nations were thawing nicely. There's a keen interest amongst younger Iranians in America. Some of the hip cafes in Tehran have a strong American cultural theme. I noticed a Route 66 shield on the wall of one place.

The only place I saw any anti-American graffiti remaining was on the wall of the old embassy, and that's over thirty years old now.
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RE: Eleven

I will ask this, because I know a couple people who talked about trying to get a convention in the US -- would people want to come? I heard a few people commenting that with a certain orange-tinted maniac in the White House, the US is much less of a destination for people outside the country (can't say I blame them!)

But knowing if people from other countries would be willing to chance a nuclear war starting or their country being declared an enemy at any moment to attend a BC convention might make a difference to whether people want to try to plan something.
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I will ask this, because I know a couple people who talked about trying to get a convention in the US -- would people want to come? I heard a few people commenting that with a certain orange-tinted maniac in the White House, the US is much less of a destination for people outside the country (can't say I blame them!)
Much as I love America, it's become far less attractive as a destination. I can't blame the current bloke, but because I've now been to Iran twice, I can't use the visa waiver program, and that means going through the expensive and inconvenient visa process.

I've heard some horrific stories at immigration. CBP makes a mistake and some poor tourist is not only denied entry, but interrorgated for hours without a lawyer, held in atrocious conditions, and then deported for life. When they actually did nothing wrong and it's a mistake on the database.

I see the place as far less stable and unsafe than it used to be. If Roy Moore and Joe Arpaio are examples of Trump's preferred public officials, then corruption and injustice are undoubtedly increasing.

And I find it difficult to countenance giving support to a regime that has done more to divide the nation than any other. The gaps in American society are widening. Not quite to the slavery stage, but it's heading that way.

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I understand your position, especially with the Visa waiver concern. And I bet you are not the only one who has had the nerve to travel to somewhere Trump doesn't like. Common sense and common courtesy and common decency all seem to be endangered concepts here these days.
I am ignoring your other deplorable pun.
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Mexico City?
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Mexico City?

I like your thinking - similarly I was thinking of the likes of Fiji or Bali - but don't know of any BCers "on the ground" there to be able to organise and host.
I did just remember that there is healthy member activity in Malaysia (KL) though!
Oh how amazing would a Singapore convention be! Is Bearyfriend still active I wonder...

While I'm at it, I might gently nudge Stoepbrak who is very passionate about BookCrossing in South Africa
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Mexico City?

I like your thinking - similarly I was thinking of the likes of Fiji or Bali - but don't know of any BCers "on the ground" there to be able to organise and host.
I did just remember that there is healthy member activity in Malaysia (KL) though!
Oh how amazing would a Singapore convention be! Is Bearyfriend still active I wonder...

While I'm at it, I might gently nudge Stoepbrak who is very passionate about BookCrossing in South Africa

Any of those would be good. We have direct flights now from Canberra to Singapore. For Bookcrossing geocachers, Fiji has the most western and eastern caches in the world...I think. Those would be fun to log.
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RE: Eleven

... I might gently nudge Stoepbrak who is very passionate about BookCrossing in South Africa

Thanks for the nudge, and for thinking of South Africa. Unfortunately we are less than a handful across the country that could be described as 'active', and that's being optimistic. :|
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I think they were talking about an Unconvention. The type that Australia and NZ have, generally mostly involves turning up and socialising. Although there might be some suggestions of what to do; they are just suggestions.
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I think they were talking about an Unconvention. The type that Australia and NZ have, generally mostly involves turning up and socialising. Although there might be some suggestions of what to do; they are just suggestions.

No, I wasn't.
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I think they were talking about an Unconvention. The type that Australia and NZ have, generally mostly involves turning up and socialising. Although there might be some suggestions of what to do; they are just suggestions.

No, I wasn't.

But I was and you replied to that after my suggestion to hold the Unconvention in Hawaii, so naturally I was confused.

"I think that for Australia's turn for the Unconvention in 2020 we should do something really outrageous. Such as go to somewhere else in the Pacific. How about Hawaii?"
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I think they were talking about an Unconvention. The type that Australia and NZ have, generally mostly involves turning up and socialising. Although there might be some suggestions of what to do; they are just suggestions.


The annual convention began as a way to celebrate the BookCrossing Queen's Birthday, and the one in St Louis, while having a bit more structure to it, was actually the second held that day.

Sometimes the dates change for convenience, and I don't think that there is anything set in stone as to what is required.

My biggest beef is that convention gathering places sometimes end up costing the organisers a lot of money that isn't necessarily recouped by actual attendances. The Kansas City Unconvention coincided with the worsening GFC and near bankrupted the organisers who had optimistically booked a couple of hotel ballrooms.

Not having a fixed venue is kind of liberating, and if some school or church hall can be found to donate the use of its premises for a weekend, that solves a lot of problems.

Convention hotels aren't required. BookCrossers can just pick their own level of accommodation. Sometimes I stay at a youth hostel, sometimes a fancy hotel, sometimes an AirBnB.

The recent Stewart Island Uncon was a case in point. Most of us camped in the local backpackers and had fun doing jigsaws and drinking wine, a married couple staid in the island's grand hotel, and two others shared an AirBnB and had more fun than anybody else realised. (The latter two have now changed their FB statuses to "In a relationship", so I'm not giving away any secrets.)

There were various activities planned - island tours and stuff - but not everyone did all of them, and the Sunday was mainly spent bumming around the hostel avoiding the rain, and attending the pub's trivia night where even more fun was had.

The key point of any BookCrossing convention is not the venue, nor the books, but the BookCrossers. Fun is had, friendships are made, and there are human beings now alive who exist only because two BookCrossers hit it off at a convention. (I'm thinking of tzurriz and jfroebe here, who have three wonderful children, but there are other couples, some of whom are now parents.)

Romance aside, there are few things more satisfying than wandering around a strange town in company with a herd of BookCrossers, leaving books in odd locations, and rejoicing over each catch.

So, for anyone contemplating a bid for 2020, what really matters is not an impressive ballroom or an exotic locale, but a range of accommodation, and maybe a place to put a couple of tables for the books.
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I think they were talking about an Unconvention. The type that Australia and NZ have, generally mostly involves turning up and socialising. Although there might be some suggestions of what to do; they are just suggestions.


The annual convention began as a way to celebrate the BookCrossing Queen's Birthday, and the one in St Louis, while having a bit more structure to it, was actually the second held that day.

Sometimes the dates change for convenience, and I don't think that there is anything set in stone as to what is required.

My biggest beef is that convention gathering places sometimes end up costing the organisers a lot of money that isn't necessarily recouped by actual attendances. The Kansas City Unconvention coincided with the worsening GFC and near bankrupted the organisers who had optimistically booked a couple of hotel ballrooms.

Not having a fixed venue is kind of liberating, and if some school or church hall can be found to donate the use of its premises for a weekend, that solves a lot of problems.

Convention hotels aren't required. BookCrossers can just pick their own level of accommodation. Sometimes I stay at a youth hostel, sometimes a fancy hotel, sometimes an AirBnB.

The recent Stewart Island Uncon was a case in point. Most of us camped in the local backpackers and had fun doing jigsaws and drinking wine, a married couple staid in the island's grand hotel, and two others shared an AirBnB and had more fun than anybody else realised. (The latter two have now changed their FB statuses to "In a relationship", so I'm not giving away any secrets.)

There were various activities planned - island tours and stuff - but not everyone did all of them, and the Sunday was mainly spent bumming around the hostel avoiding the rain, and attending the pub's trivia night where even more fun was had.

The key point of any BookCrossing convention is not the venue, nor the books, but the BookCrossers. Fun is had, friendships are made, and there are human beings now alive who exist only because two BookCrossers hit it off at a convention. (I'm thinking of tzurriz and jfroebe here, who have three wonderful children, but there are other couples, some of whom are now parents.)

Romance aside, there are few things more satisfying than wandering around a strange town in company with a herd of BookCrossers, leaving books in odd locations, and rejoicing over each catch.

So, for anyone contemplating a bid for 2020, what really matters is not an impressive ballroom or an exotic locale, but a range of accommodation, and maybe a place to put a couple of tables for the books.

Well said. Personally I actually prefer Unconventions, because less is organised. I have been tempted to pick out a country's Unconvention and attend that, rather then a Convention. I just like meeting other BCers, seeing a new place and having places to leave books. I have a very bad record of attending many organised events at Conventions; at least the day ones, but I usually attend the evening ones, such as the dinners.
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Well said. Personally, I actually prefer Unconventions, because less is organised. I have been tempted to pick out a country's Unconvention and attend that, rather than a Convention. I just like meeting other BCers, seeing a new place and having places to leave books. I have a very bad record of (not) attending many organised events at Conventions; at least the day ones, but I usually attend the evening ones, such as the dinners.
I've been to UnCons at Birmingham, Edinburgh, Charleston and KC. Love to go to more, but my travel budget ain't what it used to be!
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RE: RE: Eleven

Thanks for the nudge, and for thinking of South Africa. Unfortunately we are less than a handful across the country that could be described as 'active', and that's being optimistic. :|

That is too bad, because I for one would certainly try to find a way to be there.
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Much as I love America, it's become far less attractive as a destination. I can't blame the current bloke, but because I've now been to Iran twice, I can't use the visa waiver program, and that means going through the expensive and inconvenient visa process.


I will likely have the same issue, but x2 for Mr Romney also. Unlike Skyring, we have to travel interstate to go through the visa process, which simply makes it cost-prohibitive to us. We would unfortunately not consider attending a US convention in the near future, whether run by the Aussie crew in Hawaii or a US team.
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I heard a few people commenting that with a certain orange-tinted maniac in the White House, the US is much less of a destination for people outside the country (can't say I blame them!)


It's much less of a desirable destination for some of us who live here too.
It's all too unbelievable. And sad.

But please don't blame me, I didn't vote for him.
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Perhaps another French regional city will raise their hand? I've always fancied the slogan "Brest or Bust!"
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US has become a difficult option due to many reasons, the biggest of which is the timing. Mid-April is a major 'spring vacation' week for many primary and secondary schools, which causes things like fully booked hotels and expensive airline tickets. Add in Easter, Passover, confirmations, and early college graduation dates and you have a very hard time finding 'cheap' accommodations just about anywhere.

We also have fewer 'public' places to reserve for such events, most are either too small for 100 people or way way too big.

How would people feel about moving the convention to another time?

Moving it even a few weeks in either direction can make a huge difference in organizing an event.
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How would people feel about moving the convention to another time?


I'm all for it. Good idea.
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How would people feel about moving the convention to another time?

I'm all for it. Good idea.
Not too far from April or September. Those times of the year are good everywhere. Not too hot, not too cold.
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How would people feel about moving the convention to another time?

I'm all for it. Good idea.
Not too far from April or September. Those times of the year are good everywhere. Not too hot, not too cold.

Aren't you Aussies used to heat? :)

I would avoid winter months since one bad snow storm can wreak havoc on the airlines.
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Not too far from April or September. Those times of the year are good everywhere. Not too hot, not too cold.

Aren't you Aussies used to heat? :)

I would avoid winter months since one bad snow storm can wreak havoc on the airlines.
That's my point exactly. When we Aussies and New Zealanders travel to the rest of the BookCrossing world, it involves a hemisphere change and a solid day of flying. Summer in Australia is winter up top, and there's a chance of delays and disappointments.

And when it's summer in the northern hemisphere, it's often a muggy and uncomfortable heat. In Spring/Autumn, it's usually pretty good on a global basis.
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Not too far from April or September. Those times of the year are good everywhere. Not too hot, not too cold.


Surely we should avoid September/October because that is when most uncons are held. Apart from that (from my location - create your own) imagine if we had a US convention in October and an Australian convention in April the next year. I wouldn't be able to attend both.
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Surely we should avoid September/October because that is when most uncons are held. Apart from that (from my location - create your own) imagine if we had a US convention in October and an Australian convention in April the next year. I wouldn't be able to attend both.
Welcome to my world...
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Surely we should avoid September/October because that is when most uncons are held. Apart from that (from my location - create your own) imagine if we had a US convention in October and an Australian convention in April the next year. I wouldn't be able to attend both.
Welcome to my world...


But you manage your fair share while they are a year apart. I remember you saying after the Athens convention that you had "fourteen more flights before I get home." A little bit more of a holiday than most of us can manage.

But then it's not just about money. September and April could both fall into someone's holiday year at work.

Wait a minute! Even worse! There might be 18 months between conventions!
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How would people feel about moving the convention to another time?
Call me a creature of habit, but I would at least want it to be in April. It's connected to Ballycumber's birthday after all.

From my perspective as a Store manager, it's better if the Convention is before the 21st, not after... because that means I can sell BookCrossing Day labels at the Convention.
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Hello, late to the conversation, the only thing I will say about the timing is that we who live in the southern hemisphere are always missing the end of our summer, which is often the best weather and if we begin our European trip with the convention and stay on a couple of weeks at a minimum, we then return to the start of our long winters, not always the easiest time to navigate.
We could always shift the Aus/NZ unconvention to April and then have the annual international convention date in September or October, couldn't call it an anniversary then? Just a thought.
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How would people feel about moving the convention to another time?
Call me a creature of habit, but I would at least want it to be in April. It's connected to Ballycumber's birthday after all.

From my perspective as a Store manager, it's better if the Convention is before the 21st, not after... because that means I can sell BookCrossing Day labels at the Convention.

My understanding was that it needed to be as near as possible it 17th April (?) because it is the Anniversary Convention!
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If there was another time of the year that was better for everyone, I wouldn't mind moving the International Convention. I think it is more important that people can come, than keeping the connection to the bookcrossing day/ballycumber birthday on April 21st. However, it doesn't look like we have consensus on the timing. Therefore, I vote for keeping April for the International/Anniversary Conventions. The unconventions are good alternatives for those that have problems with April.

My appologies to the bookcrossers in Oslo that we forgot to sing the birthday song to ballycumber. I just realized the mistake when I found the lovely birthday video from 2011 on youtube:-) https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

I wouldn't mind an anniversary convention being held more like an unconvention - less organised - if that makes it easier for someone to be willing to host the anniversary convention.

If it doesn't get worse, I would be likely to come to the convention also if it is in the US.
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I'd like to hear from more US bookcrossers. Is there more of a desire for an fall-ish unconvention or a spring-ish convention? If unconventions in the Fall are easier for people to attend, then I could focus on that.

How do groups know how many are going to an unconvention? Do you get a count before you plan/coordinate locations?

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I'd like to hear from more US bookcrossers. Is there more of a desire for an fall-ish unconvention or a spring-ish convention? If unconventions in the Fall are easier for people to attend, then I could focus on that.

How do groups know how many are going to an unconvention? Do you get a count before you plan/coordinate locations?



For me, a Fallish unCon makes more sense, as a Springish one will be too close to the real BCCon, and I would hate to have to make a choice between the two.

And by Fall-ish I would mean from Sept on, after the schools started. Then airfare and hotel will be less expensive. Of course that would mean that people who are teachers and students cannot attend, but then we are such a diverse group, we will never find a perfect time for everybody.

I would say the UnCon organizer can request a modest registration fee, that helps in getting a reliable head count.

So, does it mean that a DC UnCon is in the forecast?
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DC is so expensive for everything. Places would charge just for the room more than we'd probably be able to charge for the registration. And there's been a shortage of hotel rooms in both March/April (Cherry blossoms) and September (school trips/congress back in session) that I couldn't promise room rates less than $200/night for the cheapest places.
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DC is so expensive for everything. Places would charge just for the room more than we'd probably be able to charge for the registration. And there's been a shortage of hotel rooms in both March/April (Cherry blossoms) and September (school trips/congress back in session) that I couldn't promise room rates less than $200/night for the cheapest places.
There's a youth hostel or two...
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There's a youth hostel or two.


Hey, we're not all youth!
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All ages can stay in them. Some have private rooms too. I stayed regularly in them until I was 40. I have stayed a couple of times since, when the alternative was very expensive.
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There's a youth hostel or two.


Hey, we're not all youth!


The eldest person I remember meeting in a (youth) hostel was 82, so age really doesn't matter in most of them ;) Actually, most of them don't even call themselves a youth hostel anymore, generally they're just called hostels.
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I just did a quick look at Expedia. There were a number of hotels, etc with good rating between A$75 and $125. In US dollars that would be less.

That was November, so I looked at April and it is more expensive, but still cheaper than US200. Many at about A150 plus. (I did a conversion and that is about US121.
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I just did a quick look at Expedia. There were a number of hotels, etc with good rating between A$75 and $125. In US dollars that would be less.

That was November, so I looked at April and it is more expensive, but still cheaper than US200. Many at about A150 plus. (I did a conversion and that is about US121.


If you can do better, feel free to coordinate this yourself. I won't mind.
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I just did a quick look at Expedia. There were a number of hotels, etc with good rating between A$75 and $125. In US dollars that would be less.

That was November, so I looked at April and it is more expensive, but still cheaper than US200. Many at about A150 plus. (I did a conversion and that is about US121.


If you can do better, feel free to coordinate this yourself. I won't mind.

What!!!!!

Is that a snarky comment to someone offering an observation? Was my observation wrong?
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If you can do better, feel free to coordinate this yourself. I won't mind.

What!!!!!

Is that a snarky comment to someone offering an observation? Was my observation wrong?


Yes, and no.

I've already spent several weekends working on this.

Your observation doesn't take into account that most of those hotels are a 1+ hour drive away from DC with no access to public transit and don't include meeting spaces that can fit 75-100 people. Those that do have meeting spaces large enough, often near the airports or Arlington, charge $5,000 or more for an empty room for 1 night. I went through this two years ago scheduling my wedding. I'm also fully aware of the financial bite left after the 2011 convention.

And there are non-hotel places for holding the meeting. Some are even fun. Anything owned by the federal government? No raffles, no charging for registration. Museums? You'll be paying to 'rent' the facility plus using their 'approved caterers' with a 'minimum purchase' required. Universities? I looked into those too -- most won't let you use their locations during the months we'd like (spring/fall) - justifiably so - they line up with graduation and fall orientation / homecoming when those same locations are booked with student events. Since I'm not an alumnae, I don't get special access. We could do something in July with the lovely 100 degree weather. They are wide open then!

All that said, I know of *one* hotel that has the space, reasonable October rates, allows outside food, and has a shuttle to the end of a transit rail line. But I'm not pursuing this further until I hear from more US folks since that's more unconvention than convention timing.
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Ixion, I totally hear you.

First off, there are very few US cities that have good public transportation. Which will make going around for sight seeing, release walks and meals a big headache for logistics, and add considerable costs to travel expense for rental or Ubers. Say, I'd love to have you all visit Florida.

I have also in the past look for meeting spaces for other groups, and too was surprised at how difficult it can be. Libraries sound like a great idea, some even have an auditorium, but you cannot charge for any event fee. Not to mention many have short hours on weekends. If someone is affiliated with a school or church, maybe they can rent some space there, but usually there are many restrictions and requirements, and hurdles and red tapes to go through. Renting a room for a few hours is not too difficult, but for a whole weekend, especially, is not easy.
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There are lots of Airbnbs with the price of roundabout A$115 (converted $93 US) very close to the city centre. I've taken a screen capture and can link to it later. Not at home at present and I can't do this on this computer.
Not having affordable venues though is a problem.

https://www.flickr.com/---/dateposted-public/
Sorry about the quality. Copied on a computer (not my own) lacking suitable programs.
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For me, a Fallish unCon makes more sense, as a Springish one will be too close to the real BCCon, and I would hate to have to make a choice between the two.

And by Fall-ish I would mean from Sept on, after the schools started. Then airfare and hotel will be less expensive. Of course that would mean that people who are teachers and students cannot attend, but then we are such a diverse group, we will never find a perfect time for everybody.

I would say the UnCon organizer can request a modest registration fee, that helps in getting a reliable head count.

So, does it mean that a DC UnCon is in the forecast?


I concur that I'd like to see a Sept/Oct. US Unconvention. If it were somewhere out west, I'd help coordinate, even if it's not in my home state of Colorado. Hey, Denver's a great place to visit, though!
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Is it up to us to decide this?
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Is it up to us to decide this?


I'm looking for input. If the only people interested are the same people who go to the annual convention, then it's unlikely people would attend afford / travel two events in a year.


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I don't mind though, I will see where the convention is held and then decide if I would like to go. I might go to a non European one I can build a bigger holiday around.
(I don't tend to go to European ones; conventions cost me lots of energy, which is okay in a wider period of holiday, like 3 or 4 weeks, instead of the 2 weeks European trips)
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There are active groups of BookCrossers in Calgary and Winnipeg - that I know of. Probably lots of other neat places too!
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There are active groups of BookCrossers in Calgary and Winnipeg - that I know of. Probably lots of other neat places too!


I'd be all for a repeat trip to Canada - Toronto was a fun convention with great people. But I won't volunteer others to do the work.
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...and as the Topic header is “Who will have the convention in 2020?” so this “should” be a discussion about a CONVENTION.
As much as we can all speculate on where we’d like to have a convention, I think it’s apparent that those individuals on the ground know their own backyards better than us armchair speculators.
I’d love for a Convention to be held in the USA because I now live here and having never attended one, I’d make the effort if one was here.
But that’s just my own convenience.
I also feel that Europe has had their run for a while, and how nice would it be for somewhere a little less “conventional” to host, such as Nepal or South Africa.
I also note that on the list of past hosts, everywhere is by city, but New Zealand is on there as the only country. I don’t even know where that was held, but I’d guess Auckland or Wellington. There are many other worthy cities in NZ who could be awesome locations.

I would however vote that if there is a location you’d love to see a convention, you either put your hand up to host it, or leave the logistics to those on the ground and thus more in the know.
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I think it was Christchurch.
Auckland and Wellington have both hosted UnConventions in recent years though. And both were fabulous!
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I think it was Christchurch.
Auckland and Wellington have both hosted UnConventions in recent years though. And both were fabulous!

I will ask MLA to correct the list, so that it says Christchurch. For the non-US places I will ask her to add country.
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I will ask MLA to correct the list

Nahh. :-)
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2020 Bid

Hi All

I would officially like to announce that Gold Coast, Australia would like to put in a bid for the April 2020 convention.

The bid is still in it's infancy, but we've got an excited team here looking forward to welcoming you to the sunshine and our beautiful Queensland beaches if our bid is successful.

We will show you as much about the location as we can in Bordeaux, with a large Aussie contingent attending to share the news. For the time being please direct queries to either myself or skyring.

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Yay!
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Yay! Another world convention in the West Island! :-)
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Claps hands :)
I can drive there, without my car needing to swim.
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RE: 2020 Bid

Very excited about a convention on the Gold Coast
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Very excited about a convention on the Gold Coast

I am on the GC for a holiday today and spot this wonderfully exciting news. So excited.
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RE: 2020 Bid

Nice (a good excuse to visit Australia? :-D ).
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Yesssss!
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So exciting! I am visiting this year and can start planning my trip for 2020 in plenty of time!
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RE: 2020 Bid

That's lovely news! Haven't visited Australia for a looong time, so it will be a great excuse to travel there again, even though I don't know whether I'll be able to make it or not.
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Congrats!

I have to echo Azuki's sentiments, but glad a group was able to put forward a bid.
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Wonderful, I hope we get a good contingent of internationals to come if we win the bid.
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Wonderful, I hope we get a good contingent of internationals to come if we win the bid

Need to check what kind of visa one needs to visit!
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The Convention goodness will continue. I will go anywhere for a Convention :)
Well Done, Queensland.
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....what a temptation again.
😁
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Information about next year Convention is in this tread:

http://www.bookcrossing.com/---/551142
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Regrettably I can't attend the convention in France, but will update the list of where the convention in 2020 will be held, as soon as this is official and I get information about this.
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and getting excited about 2020 on The Gold Coast.
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and getting excited about 2020 on The Gold Coast.


Me too!

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